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COVID and the housing market

hahaha that really makes me laugh...at the buyers clearly over leveraging themselves. Feel only slightly bad for the sellers though since they're probably jumping up to the next housing bracket as well adding hundreds of thousands of dollars to their mortgage.
 
When the money printer stops going brrrrrr:

People have forgotten that investments (and especially housing) arent guaranteed. As for all those buyers in trouble, screw them. If their house sold for 100 more than they expected, they wouldnt have passed that along. All those examples should have had the buyer with hundreds of thousands of equity in their current home. That will soon be mine for screwing up my plans. They gambled, they lost, not my problem.

There was a recent article on a couple from stouffville with the opposite problem. They were putting out conditional offers that were all rejected so they sold early 2020 (or maybe 2021?) so they could put in clean offers with cash in the bank. House prices ran away. To buy their old townhouse now maxes their budget.
 
The second photo tells you all you need to know about the current housing market...buying a 1.4 mil house with only 60k down. Now needs to come up with an extra 120k. that's a lot of money after taxes are paid on an average salary, about 2-3 years worth of saving while living on a tight budget assuming person makes 70-100k a year. I'm sure the realtors in these deals are innocent too :p A lot of funny business going on in private lending in the Brampton area.

Also, no way in **** would I sign a mutual release form.
 
The second photo tells you all you need to know about the current housing market...buying a 1.4 mil house with only 60k down. Now needs to come up with an extra 120k. that's a lot of money after taxes are paid on an average salary, about 2-3 years worth of saving while living on a tight budget assuming person makes 70-100k a year. I'm sure the realtors in these deals are innocent too :p A lot of funny business going on in private lending in the Brampton area.

Also, no way in **** would I sign a mutual release form.
Let’s also remember this is Reddit and people love to make others go into a tailspin.

Interesting one could get that type of mortgage on 60k. But if it’s real…zero sympathy.
 
Let’s also remember this is Reddit and people love to make others go into a tailspin.

Interesting one could get that type of mortgage on 60k. But if it’s real…zero sympathy.
There seem to be some language issues in that post. I think they have put up a 60K deposit (not down payment). They were probably going to put more money in to keep the bank happy and were approved for $xxx but with lower appraisal now they need to come up with another 120K. In this whole scenario, I don't think the 60K matters at all. Maybe the poster thinks that's what they have to lose? If so, I'm sure the reddit army will let them know how screwed their friend is in a cooling market.
 
love the one blaming a ton on the realtor. 'Made us list at 899, made us do renos.'
I know most realtors are scum or **** at their jobs but no one made you do anything.
they recommended and you acted. take some responsibility. do your own research next time or find a realtor you can trust.
no sympathy on any of these. no one pulled the rug out from under you, home buying/ownership has risks.
only sympathy is when developers cancel on people with no repercussions. (still avoidable if you only buy from reputable developers)
 
love the one blaming a ton on the realtor. 'Made us list at 899, made us do renos.'
I know most realtors are scum or **** at their jobs but no one made you do anything.
they recommended and you acted. take some responsibility. do your own research next time or find a realtor you can trust.
no sympathy on any of these. no one pulled the rug out from under you, home buying/ownership has risks.
only sympathy is when developers cancel on people with no repercussions. (still avoidable if you only buy from reputable developers)
People accept lies because the truth hurts. They want to be told their house is worth a ton. They want to be told they deserve the max. They want to be told they are going to get rich. They want to be told nothing can go wrong.

More people die per week than win lotteries but they buy lottery tickets instead of life insurance. Go figure.
 
People accept lies because the truth hurts. They want to be told their house is worth a ton. They want to be told they deserve the max. They want to be told they are going to get rich. They want to be told nothing can go wrong.

More people die per week than win lotteries but they buy lottery tickets instead of life insurance. Go figure.
Youre statistically more likely to die on the way to the store to buy the lottery ticket than you are to win.
 
People accept lies because the truth hurts. They want to be told their house is worth a ton. They want to be told they deserve the max. They want to be told they are going to get rich. They want to be told nothing can go wrong.

More people die per week than win lotteries but they buy lottery tickets instead of life insurance. Go figure.
It’s the realtors fault when it goes sour.

But if the net effect is positive then they’re the smart investor.

Blame others when things fail…take credit when it goes well.
 
Everyone has a different situation, wife’s dad had full military pension at lieutenant commander rate, full pension from McMaster Uni , OAS and CPP . When he went to a retirement home the military paid 50% of the costs . He was pulling in 8k a month at 90yrs old . Everybody got 5k at Christmas and your birthday because the cash piled up . We all cried at his funeral.
Most of us earn more per yr than our parents ever thought possible.
Most of us spend more per yr than our parents ever thought possible.


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Pensions are something too few people think about. Gov't workers get the thinking done by their employer, as do some in very large companies. The remaining folks have to plan and manage their own retirement funds, and sadly not many people do that well.

Living on OAS/CPP is a shocker to a lot of retirees -- I know lots of retired folks that had only the equity in their home. That's OK in 2022 I guess, but 5 years ago the folks that sold their homes and moved to rental properties aren't as fortunate.
 
Pensions are something too few people think about. Gov't workers get the thinking done by their employer, as do some in very large companies. The remaining folks have to plan and manage their own retirement funds, and sadly not many people do that well.

Living on OAS/CPP is a shocker to a lot of retirees -- I know lots of retired folks that had only the equity in their home. That's OK in 2022 I guess, but 5 years ago the folks that sold their homes and moved to rental properties aren't as fortunate.
My parents went too conservative and inflation and expenses eroded their capital. They didnt want to lose money but they effectively did. They have one pension with survivor benefits so they will be ok.
 
My parents were VERY conservative, my dad never had a credit card and they never had a mortgage on any properties. But that was a very different era , how our folks got along really won’t apply to our new world .
Sitting out even a yr in this market puts you 5 maybe 7 behind in saving .
Townhouse down the way just listed for 1.5m , I paid 1m two years ago. I cannot save 250k per yr .
House across the street has been an executive rental for yrs , beautiful pool, 4bd /4bath . It’s listed for 2.4m , owner says i can bank 2.4 and get a return of about 100k per yr , I can’t make 100k in rent .
It’s really quite nuts .


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My parents went too conservative and inflation and expenses eroded their capital. They didnt want to lose money but they effectively did. They have one pension with survivor benefits so they will be ok.
My parents went very conservative as well, so a few years ago I took over managing their investment portfolio. Their opinion was a reliable 2% return would give them piece of mind that there would always be something left. I've done a better managing it for them while still being conservative, the raging markets helped.

They were concerned about having something to hand over to the grandkids (my sis and I have done OK, we agreed 90% gets divided between mom & dad's 5 grandkids).

Dad has a diamond encrusted pension so they can still live large without dipping into their retirement savings.
 
My parents were VERY conservative, my dad never had a credit card and they never had a mortgage on any properties. But that was a very different era , how our folks got along really won’t apply to our new world .
Sitting out even a yr in this market puts you 5 maybe 7 behind in saving .
Townhouse down the way just listed for 1.5m , I paid 1m two years ago. I cannot save 250k per yr .
House across the street has been an executive rental for yrs , beautiful pool, 4bd /4bath . It’s listed for 2.4m , owner says i can bank 2.4 and get a return of about 100k per yr , I can’t make 100k in rent .
It’s really quite nuts .


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I can't believe the price of townhouses. One around the corner from us near Appleby and Dundas just sold for $1.3M. 2br, 1 car garage - stupid money 1050 sq' townhouse.
 
Pensions are something too few people think about. Gov't workers get the thinking done by their employer, as do some in very large companies. The remaining folks have to plan and manage their own retirement funds, and sadly not many people do that well.

Living on OAS/CPP is a shocker to a lot of retirees -- I know lots of retired folks that had only the equity in their home. That's OK in 2022 I guess, but 5 years ago the folks that sold their homes and moved to rental properties aren't as fortunate.

OAS starts getting clawed back at $80K income. That includes CPP, OAS, pensions and RIF withdrawals. Only about 5% of Canadians see the claw back (Recovery tax). At $123 K OAS is toast and only 2% make that in retirement. Claw back is 15% of anything over the 80K

If someone is used to a six figure salary they need a far better than average pension to continue a spending lifestyle. Buying a first house in late life isn't fun unless you inherit a bundle. Paying rent is turning out to be as bad as renovictions and rent controls alter the homescape.

This can't be fixed in four years. The Ponzi scheme will someday collapse.
 
PFC? I obviously don't hang out on reddit enough.
Personal Finance Canada. I learned a few things on it, but now it's become a:

- OMG variable going up...should I lock in now?
- OMG...I'm going to buy a house with this inevitable drop
- OMG...blah blah blah
 
OAS starts getting clawed back at $80K income. That includes CPP, OAS, pensions and RIF withdrawals. Only about 5% of Canadians see the claw back (Recovery tax). At $123 K OAS is toast and only 2% make that in retirement. Claw back is 15% of anything over the 80K

If someone is used to a six figure salary they need a far better than average pension to continue a spending lifestyle. Buying a first house in late life isn't fun unless you inherit a bundle. Paying rent is turning out to be as bad as renovictions and rent controls alter the homescape.

This can't be fixed in four years. The Ponzi scheme will someday collapse.
There are some breaks for married couples -- pension income can be split, so the clawback starts when a couple reaches a combined income of $160K, and by $260K it's all gone. (halve those amounts for a single Sr.).

Chances are if you have a pension income of $75K you have done OK in life.
 

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