Costa Cruise. Doomed from the get go?

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invictus43 said:
I just like how the Italians immediately jump in and charge people without really any solid idea of what happened or why.. You're assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence..
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Sir Frank knows all about that.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Sir Frank knows all about that.
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Indeed. How long did that drag out for? I think they charged a half-dozen people with manslaughter in that one..mandatory 10-18 year sentences..wow. Boni was the same with that slash to the chest. And yet somehow Berlusconi evades all of his charges. It's a weird place..
 
Jayv said:
Yep too right less than 24 hours after the fact.

Charge first, ponder and think about it second.
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Exactly. I mean, these are serious consequences. It's coming out now that the cruise ship line authorized almost exactly the same fly-by on the island as this captain did 6 months ago. So perhaps they're trying to cover up a bit..

Here..the blue is the cruise line authorized fly-by...

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invictus43 said:
Exactly. I mean, these are serious consequences. It's coming out now that the cruise ship line authorized almost exactly the same fly-by on the island as this captain did 6 months ago. So perhaps they're trying to cover up a bit..

Here..the blue is the cruise line authorized fly-by...

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A few hundred feet makes all the difference.
 
mmmnaked said:
A few hundred feet makes all the difference.
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Oh, absolutely. But it's not so cut and dried now..the press was quoting people saying "the ships never come within less than 2 or 3 km's from the island.." and the cruise company was saying something similar. Turns out they've authorized it in the past, just not this time. Bottom line, he hit a rock.. Obviously there's a big mistake here..but if it turns out the rock was not on the chart, is he still worthy of a manslaughter charge and all that process that they've initiated? Media circus..
 
Roughly same distance from the coast but different time of the year. I'm not a nautical expert but could the tide and water level have been higher in August than in January?
 
int15 said:
Roughly same distance from the coast but different time of the year. I'm not a nautical expert but could the tide and water level have been higher in August than in January?
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Yes. Also, time of day too, if the tide is in or out.
 
int15 said:
Roughly same distance from the coast but different time of the year. I'm not a nautical expert but could the tide and water level have been higher in August than in January?
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Goodness knows..they'll do a proper investigation and figure out what actually happened..pilot error..bad charts..bad instrumentation..I wish they'd not convict him in the media and by the police before due process. I think there's a thread on SOPA in a similar vein..
 
Comogli Carte Nautiche shows the rocks he hit (that's the charts), its the Italian version of NOAA, They have Simrad electronic chartplotters running, so theres no doubt where they were. At least 3 systems would have to have been overridden to get to where they were.

With a draft of 28ft , tide in or out wouldn't matter, they were hitting that rock.

Tripping and falling out of the Cruiser and landing in a lifeboat story?
After an abandon ship was declared, the coast guard commander in Livorno takes charge, Cruiser Captain was given a direct order, its in the published transcripts of the conversations, to reboard the cruiser and assist, get up the pilot ladder and reboard, return to his vessel and report how many passengers are left. He declined to re board the vessel and assist. THATS the abandon ship charge. Its 12 yrs in Italy.

The request for a course charge would have been sent through livornio and or Checeveccia (sp?) Coast Guard offices, they got no request. The "fly by" may have been done by others and approved by the cruise line, but this guy was on his own and got it very wrong. And people died.
 
I was sarcastic when I mentioned the "fall". But point taken about the drag and systems that would have alerted the crew to alter course.

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crankcall said:
Tripping and falling out of the Cruiser and landing in a lifeboat story?
The "fly by" may have been done by others and approved by the cruise line, but this guy was on his own and got it very wrong. And people died.
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Yeah, that trip into the lifeboat story is hilarious! Yeah...I tripped! That's what happened!! :-) haha! Oh, I have no doubt this guy is going down, I just object to the trial by media and information leaks..
 
int15 said:
I was sarcastic when I mentioned the "fall". But point taken about the drag and systems that would have alerted the crew to alter course.

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Dont worry , i got the sarcasm :) , ship is 800' + long and he lands in a life boat.... Most of the other jumpers landed in the water, must have had special ninja training.
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