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Corsa Meccanica no longer a Piaggio (Aprilia/Moto Guzzi/Vespa) dealer (?)

All correct, not a fan of euro engineering, not just bikes. I deal with expensive euro stuff every day, beautiful designs, precision, style, exceptional finishes.

Put the stuff to work and you see the same thing you see with cars and bikes. Breakdowns, short life cycles, expensive repairs. It's all good if you're buying new and keeping the stuff for 3-5 years (till warranty is over), beyond that it's all question marks.
 
That is how it used to be 10-15 years ago, but no longer the case. My Aprilia has over 30,000kms and not a single issue. I own 6 Italian bikes and they are all very reliable.
I think there was a guy on here that fell in love with a late model Capo.

My whisky soaked memory recalls...
The before was...dream bike, Italians over the dependability issues, rock solid. He bought it loved it for a while then turned it over inside 24 mos. Pretty much the same story for everyone I've ridden with for the last 40 years.
 
MCN just did their annual Superbike Shootout. Only three bikes in the shootout and two of them Italian. You have to hand it to Ducati for pressing forward in innovation. Longevity never was in their DNA tho. Aprilia has longevity, but can't get the business model together. Either way, owning a superbike is becoming a thing of the past. Exclusivity is now the "thing."

The end of an era. The last three left standing:

 
MCN just did their annual Superbike Shootout. Only three bikes in the shootout and two of them Italian. You have to hand it to Ducati for pressing forward in innovation. Longevity never was in their DNA tho. Aprilia has longevity, but can't get the business model together. Either way, owning a superbike is becoming a thing of the past. Exclusivity is now the "thing."

The end of an era. The last three left standing:

I think people still buy the R1s, you just cant **** and call it gold and expect customers to buy it anymore (cbrs, zx10s, gsxrs etc)
 
Just a quick question where you insured your V85? I went with TD, but I thought it was quite expensive. Many other companies didn't wouldn't even insure the bike. Is it because it is a new/relatively rare bike?
Sorry, I missed this one.

I've been with TD for many years. $800/yr for the Guzzi.
 
IMHO if you own any Euro bike, you better have a nice toolbox, good mechanical aptitude, deep pockets, and a DHL account. I have all that, and I still wont own one.

I can service and repair my stuff, I'm not interested in anything Euro as even a good tech can't do everything unless they can get access to factory diagnostic equipment.
What nonsense!

How can you make an educated assessment if you've never owned one?

I have all the things you've mentioned above, except the deep pockets, which is no more a requirement on my Guzzi or Triumph than any other bike. Turning the wrenches yourself is part of motorcycle ownership. I'm happy to do it, and wouldn't have it any other way.

Until you actually own a Euro motorbike, your remarks carry little weight.
 
What nonsense!

How can you make an educated assessment if you've never owned one?

I have all the things you've mentioned above, except the deep pockets, which is no more a requirement on my Guzzi or Triumph than any other bike. Turning the wrenches yourself is part of motorcycle ownership. I'm happy to do it, and wouldn't have it any other way.

Until you actually own a Euro motorbike, your remarks carry little weight.
After reading his post, I knew that answering would be a waste of time.
 
old meme still applies:


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All correct, not a fan of euro engineering, not just bikes. I deal with expensive euro stuff every day, beautiful designs, precision, style, exceptional finishes.

Put the stuff to work and you see the same thing you see with cars and bikes. Breakdowns, short life cycles, expensive repairs. It's all good if you're buying new and keeping the stuff for 3-5 years (till warranty is over), beyond that it's all question marks.
I understand the perspective, but disagree to an extent.

I've used equipment (agriculture/horticulture industry) of European design and manufacture that has lasted decades with only basic maintenance and expected wear parts being replaced. Same (relative) design still being sold 30-40 years on and parts still available.

I've ridden Euro brand bikes since 1989 almost exclusively, BMW, Triumph, KTM and most recently a Husqvarna and haven't ever been stranded or let down. My off road KTM's and now my Husky need no more attention than a Japanese bike of the same nature and I'd argue that my 1999 2 stroke KTM 300 exc was FAR MORE durable, and less maintenance intensive than a Japanese equivalent of the same era. (Jeez I miss that bike!)

As a side note - I have ZERO interest in a fuel injected, electric start 2 stroke. I've watered out before and was able to ride away. That seems unlikely with a modern FI 2 stroke.

At the same time, while I love my KTM 1090 Adventure I'm less inclined to ride it to the east coast than I would be on a 1300 Super Tenere or an FJR1300. The 1090 just seems a bit more "rough around the edges" than the Japanese options and rough edges tend to annoy me when I'm far away, and a long time from home.

In support of Mikes points, I am mechanically inclined, motivated to do most of my own work (even if it means a learning curve), and willing to augment my tool kit as needed. Motorcycles are a fun hobby, so why not.

I expect reliability, but I don't want an appliance.
 
I’m mechanically inclined , but my last couple euro trash rides had a lot of electronics that would have been beyond home garage service . Good part , none of it ever needed attention.

Own anything long enough , it will need work .


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What nonsense!

How can you make an educated assessment if you've never owned one?

I have all the things you've mentioned above, except the deep pockets, which is no more a requirement on my Guzzi or Triumph than any other bike. Turning the wrenches yourself is part of motorcycle ownership. I'm happy to do it, and wouldn't have it any other way.

Until you actually own a Euro motorbike, your remarks carry little weight.
I have owned them, a long list of Euro bikes and cars. I currently have an older Triumph and a Tomos (the Tomos is pretty good). I keep the Triumph to remind me not to buy another.

Years ago I made a little cash repairing Euro cars... I'd also buy and drive them cheap from fed up owners who were unwilling to dump more money into them.

I've owned 2 new Audis, 2 new Jags, and on the used side 3 MGs, and one each Rover, Triumph, Porsche, Renault, Skoda and a Simca.

I could go on for days citing examples, but it really boils down to a few things.
  • Higher TCO: higher capital cost, ownership maintenance, repairs and depreciation.
  • Downtime risk: Limited dealer network, limited mechanics, parts availability.
  • Dependability engineering. Not as high priority for Euro car/bike makers, difficult when volumes are low, and when design and mfg of major systems (brakes, electronics, suspension, fuel systems - sometimes engines- are outsourced.
I cant see this getting better. Euro car/bike makers know their latest emissions requirements will shorten vehicle life substantially, this should further diminish their interest in reliability engineering.

Drive / own what you like -- we all have different reasons for owning bikes. My main ride needs to be an appliance, I ride her April to Nov, rain or shine, 20,000+km each season, a lot of those KMs in the north.

I have a few garage Queen's if I feel like something different. Maybe I should lighten up and add a pasta machine to the fleet to see what I'm missing.
 
Just some experience from an intermidiate rider. My first two bikes were Japanese. Both were as expected extremely reliable. But again I don't ride anywhere near as much as most of you. So my experience will be based on time of ownership.
Prior to purchasing my Ducati, I went in with the mindset that most likely the bike would not be as reliable as my previous Japanese bikes and that the cost of ownership would be more.
Fast forward after 4 years of ownership I have had a few recalls which were easily taken care of at my yearly services. The one frustrating item is the typiical known issures of the brand. Faulty fuel level sensor going after 4 years. Other than that the bike has been reliable. Has it been as reliable as my previous brands. Probably not. But I didn't have any issues that were major and left me stranded.

Now the main reason why I went to Ducati... The Japanes bikes although reliable just didnt give that same level of excitement for me. Every time I park my bike after a ride and look back , it just gives you a certain feeling of satisfaction that the Japanes bikes just couldnt give. It's hard to explain ...

As far as service goes. Both my previous bikes were Kawasaki's. I find it harder to get factory service for them since there are no longer any dealers near me and I'm in Toronto.
So service parts etc. Is not a factor anymore.

As far as cars go. My Europen made VW Golf was way more reliable and less hassle than my Canadian made Toyota.... so there are numerous examples that can go both ways..
 
We can always point to specific examples in either direction. As a whole, I think we can all agree euro bikes can be said to be less reliable then say Japanese bikes. That doesn’t mean they are ticking time bombs. To Mikes point, a lot of these euro dealers do not warehouse their parts over here at stock levels compared to their counter parts. So that adds cost and time.
 
We can always point to specific examples in either direction. As a whole, I think we can all agree euro bikes can be said to be less reliable then say Japanese bikes. That doesn’t mean they are ticking time bombs. To Mikes point, a lot of these euro dealers do not warehouse their parts over here at stock levels compared to their counter parts. So that adds cost and time.
Supply chain issues have hooped everybody these last couple of years.
What I object to primarily is the cost of genuine replacement parts - sometimes 2 or 3 times for European compared to Japanese.
 
48 hours after ya'll took the time to write thoughtful essays to convince a curmudgeon:

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Supply chain issues have hooped everybody these last couple of years.
What I object to primarily is the cost of genuine replacement parts - sometimes 2 or 3 times for European compared to Japanese.
Well, the last few years are the exception, not the rule.

And yeah, pricing can suck.
 
Ducati has a REALLY BAD habit of selling off the parts cache to a third party when they're broke, which is always. They've done it three times so far.
Ducati won't even acknowledge they made motorcycles before 1996
 
Ducati has a REALLY BAD habit of selling off the parts cache to a third party when they're broke, which is always.

They're definitely not broke these days. The Audi takeover has definitely upped the sales along with the profits...

For the record, before my Tuono, I had a ZX-14 that had a bad habit of wetting itself when parked on a hot day that nobody could puzzle out (rad cap replaced twice, hoses and fittings triple checked for leaks, burped and flushed multiple times - man, I hated those fairings), and my ZX-10R went through two stators in the time I had it. Both were fine, but neither was bulletproof.

The only meaningful maintenance difference I've noticed with Aprilia is that, as mentioned above by @Evoex , the parts orders almost all come from Italy, with next to nothing stored in North America. Still, I do get bits faster from Europe than I do with Honda if something has to come from Japan. I ordered some irritating oddball screws for the RC51 airbox (also made of cheese and easily stripped), and it took almost four months to get them as the Canadian and US warehouses were out. Granted, the bike is 20+ years old and not a volume seller, but it was still a heck of a wait...
 
I ordered some irritating oddball screws for the RC51 airbox (also made of cheese and easily stripped), and it took almost four months to get them as the Canadian and US warehouses were out. Granted, the bike is 20+ years old and not a volume seller, but it was still a heck of a wait...
Try getting parts for your 20+ year old Euro bike, go ahead I dare ya. You'll be digging for a while.
 

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