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Mad Mike said:
Is anybody mad at the Chinese gov't?
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I am. They had a chance at stopping this ****, and ****** around before their major clampdown.
WHO also shares some of that blame. They weren't forceful enough in their warnings, and now they 'did everything we could'. But that's also to be put on governments around the world that didn't listen.

Lots of blame to go around, but the next few weeks are critical if we want to get this thing under control.
 
mimico_polak said:
I am. They had a chance at stopping this ****, and ****** around before their major clampdown.
WHO also shares some of that blame. They weren't forceful enough in their warnings, and now they 'did everything we could'. But that's also to be put on governments around the world that didn't listen.

Lots of blame to go around, but the next few weeks are critical if we want to get this thing under control.
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And now it is our governments turn to waffle and delay. It's amazing that each successive layer hopes that they can do less than those before them with different results.
 
Not to be a pain but this can happen again wherever there’s a large number of animals in proximity to humans on a constant basis. Intensive farming practices are just as susceptible to this kind of virus rearing it’s ugly head in the future. The bird flu epidemic showed us that.
 
GreyGhost said:
And now it is our governments turn to waffle and delay. It's amazing that each successive layer hopes that they can do less than those before them with different results.
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I agree with you 100%. Even though it will hurt, and be VERY painful for all...I think we should clamp down hard, and take a hard stance against violators. I was praying my flight would be cancelled so I don't have to go to BC...now I'm sitting in a hotel room for 3 days because the site is scared of my cough and they're deciding whether to let me on or not.
 
jc100 said:
Not to be a pain but this can happen again wherever there’s a large number of animals in proximity to humans on a constant basis. Intensive farming practices are just as susceptible to this kind of virus rearing it’s ugly head in the future. The bird flu epidemic showed us that.
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Fine, but how long does a gov't get to coverup a crisis?

The Wuhan epicenter, they were way past the accelerating stage of an epidemic by the time the world got notice. By the time they announced the epidemic and closed Wuhan, thousands of infected people had made they way around the world sewing the seeds for a global pandemic.

After this settles I wonder if there will be a call for reparations?
 
Mad Mike said:
Fine, but how long does a gov't get to coverup a crisis?

The Wuhan epicenter, they were way past the accelerating stage of an epidemic by the time the world got notice. By the time they announced the epidemic and closed Wuhan, thousands of infected people had made they way around the world sewing the seeds for a global pandemic.

After this settles I wonder if there will be a call for reparations?
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We are doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale. They announced they were closing Wuhan prior to doing it allowing people to flee. JT announced that travellers finally must self-isolate instead of just asking them to, but that doesn't start until midnight. If stopping/isolating travellers is required, there should be no delay between the proclamation and enforcement. "Effective immediately . . ." There should be no asking people to do it. It should have been an order from day one. It is a temporary isolation, you are not substantially infringing on any individuals rights and you are making a huge difference to the health of society at large. Politely asking was just weak and dumb.
 
Another good article.


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Finally finished this one. It is long but a very good discussion of the various paths the US may take and their expected outcomes.
 
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GreyGhost said:
We are doing the same thing, just on a smaller scale. They announced they were closing Wuhan prior to doing it allowing people to flee. JT announced that travellers finally must self-isolate instead of just asking them to, but that doesn't start until midnight. If stopping/isolating travellers is required, there should be no delay between the proclamation and enforcement. "Effective immediately . . ." There should be no asking people to do it. It should have been an order from day one. It is a temporary isolation, you are not substantially infringing on any individuals rights and you are making a huge difference to the health of society at large. Politely asking was just weak and dumb.
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Agreed. And if they are caught out there, take names and publish them -- like they do with drunk drivers.
 
The provincial state of emergency does several things but one that hasn’t been mentioned much is that it’s the first step required before the military can be called in for civilian issues.
 
jc100 said:
The provincial state of emergency does several things but one that hasn’t been mentioned much is that it’s the first step required before the military can be called in for civilian issues.
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I won't put too much into this rumour, but our neighbour's son is going to RMC in Kingston. They've been (apparently) given notice to prepare for deployment in the GTA to enforce the 'lockdown'. Not sure how much faith to put into it, but makes sense to bring in the reserves and cadets to keep an eye out.
 
mimico_polak said:
I won't put too much into this rumour, but our neighbour's son is going to RMC in Kingston. They've been (apparently) given notice to prepare for deployment in the GTA to enforce the 'lockdown'. Not sure how much faith to put into it, but makes sense to bring in the reserves and cadets to keep an eye out.
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It's a great idea. More eyes to yell at the people that need that type of reinforcement.
 
jc100 said:
The provincial state of emergency does several things but one that hasn’t been mentioned much is that it’s the first step required before the military can be called in for civilian issues.
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Yes, and right now many of those soldiers are at home in quarantine, it would be nice to believe the already working civilian police force is sufficient to protect and enforce civil laws when there is nobody here except residents. What would you have the military do, block the roads and blow the bridges?


Original address was more of a plea as I recall then politely asking, but that is the Canadian way and relies on peoples intelligence and understanding the importance of a message being delivered in a way as to not incite mass panic. :| we don't usually open with baton and shield wielding troops, that's a different country.
 
Trials said:
Yes, and right now many of those soldiers are at home in quarantine, it would be nice to believe the already working civilian police force is sufficient to protect and enforce civil laws when there is nobody here except residents. What would you have the military do, block the roads and blow the bridges?


Original address was more of a plea as I recall then politely asking, but that is the Canadian way and relies on peoples intelligence and understanding the importance of a message being delivered in a way as to not incite mass panic. :| we don't usually open with baton and shield wielding troops, that's a different country.
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A lot of Toronto precincts have very few police in them at night (two or four). Police are paid so much, their numbers are entirely inadequate if anything more than response to isolated incidents is required.

In the case of a large scale order against the population, more bodies are needed to stop the dumb. The extra bodies imo should not be armed or dressed like storm troopers. They should be visible, they should be authoritative and they should focus on keeping crowds from gathering. If you can keep people dispersed, you avoid mob mentality and the need to quell a riot.

Use the soldiers like those italian mayors. Give them video cameras and have them walk around calling people out on their dumb behaviour. If people dont cooperate, the video gets posted so their friends and family can see what an ahole they associate with.
 
You going to take away a soldiers gun and put him or her on the front line with a camera? and no active duty danger pay?
You tell them! I sure would not want to be the one to deliver that message.
 
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