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Somewhat on the topic...we have a return camping trip (with friends this time) to Gaspe planned for the second week of May. Supposed to pickup the trailer 7 weeks this coming Saturday.

I'm starting to wonder if it's going to happen or not. I guess the next 3-4 weeks should tell the tale and still leave a few weeks to call things off and hopefully get the reservation $$ back.
 
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mimico_polak said:
This right here. These 'lockdowns' are being forced / placed on people by those unaffected by them. They all keep their jobs, keep their pay, and have zero consequences for forcing the lockdown.

You want total lockdown? No problem. Shut it down. But unless you're prepared to provide financial support to keep people afloat, nothing will change.

I've said it before. My friends that get to work from home, myself included, are all for the lockdowns and extending our stay at home time. My other friends, that don't have the option, are 100% against the lockdowns because they can't afford to live.

It's a pipe dream to think that people have enough savings to put them through ANOTHER lockdown. Even if they had those savings (which most do not) those funds are gone if they didn't work during any of these pseudo lockdowns.
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OK who is the "You" in the above? With the current situation it means the government. The government doesn't have money other than what they take from us.

Under the present system those still working (Many doing very well) will share in the debt resolution some time down the road just like the ones who have to make up for lost ground.

Stick a 25% tax surcharge on the working ones with the money going to the debt resolution. Maybe then the lockdown will seem a little more important if they have to share the pain.
 
nobbie48 said:
OK who is the "You" in the above? With the current situation it means the government. The government doesn't have money other than what they take from us.

Under the present system those still working (Many doing very well) will share in the debt resolution some time down the road just like the ones who have to make up for lost ground.

Stick a 25% tax surcharge on the working ones with the money going to the debt resolution. Maybe then the lockdown will seem a little more important if they have to share the pain.
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Or cut politician wages by 30% so people believe they share in the pain.
 
nobbie48 said:
Stick a 25% tax surcharge on the working ones with the money going to the debt resolution.
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You should run for office. It'll only be once, but hey, it's something you can cross off your bucket list.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
You should run for office. It'll only be once, but hey, it's something you can cross off your bucket list.
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That career is over the moment those words leave his mouth.

and yes @nobbie48 the ‘you’ I referenced is the government. I stick with my previous statements....when people are forced to shut down and cannot afford to live, they will find a way to earn money.

If I was in their shoes I’d do the same. If my choice is:

- starve / miss rent or mortgage
- take the risk of getting COVID

I’m taking the risk of COVID so I can eat with my family and keep a roof over our heads.

The reality is a large portion of the population can’t stay home, and can’t work from home. Unfortunately those pockets were Scarborough and Brampton in the GTA. The lower income neighborhoods / areas were hardest hit.

EDIT: We will all be paying for this long into our future, what’s a few more billion between a friends.
 
nobbie48 said:
Or eliminate their pensions. I figure if they're smart enough to do the job they're supposed to do they should be smart enough to put away their own RRSPs
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That's a whole separate discussion. To keep wingboys blood pressure low, I'll avoid too much political discussion but politics as a career, especially a gold-plated career is a failed approach. I like the old days of a 20K stipend for helping out your community and no pension. Keeps the money-grubbing wankers out and fills the slots with people that genuinely want to affect the future of their community.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's a whole separate discussion. To keep wingboys blood pressure low, I'll avoid too much political discussion but politics as a career, especially a gold-plated career is a failed approach. I like the old days of a 20K stipend for helping out your community and no pension. Keeps the money-grubbing wankers out and fills the slots with people that genuinely want to affect the future of their community.
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Agreed....but if you want top talent you need to pay for it. Im all for people helping their community...but I want those in charge to be smart and able to be able to do it. Tough to do that when the salaries / rewards are garbage.

we’ve recently tried hiring a few PMs and such...but the general consensus is the salary is too low. I’d be making maybe 20k more in the private sector...but I preferred to be home every night. We pull mad hours but no OT, no in lieu time, so I’m the bad one when I quit at the schedule time...most nights. When something needs doing I stay.
 
mimico_polak said:
Agreed....but if you want top talent you need to pay for it. Im all for people helping their community...but I want those in charge to be smart and able to be able to do it. Tough to do that when the salaries / rewards are garbage.
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I somewhat agree. Conversely when you offer the high salaries and benefits etc you attract a lot of sh**heads that are incompetent and/or just don’t care about the role and just want the $. Sure this should be resolved through the hiring process but that’s not always easy to do.


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SVeezy said:
I somewhat agree. Conversely when you offer the high salaries and benefits etc you attract a lot of sh**heads that are incompetent and/or just don’t care about the role and just want the $. Sure this should be resolved through the hiring process but that’s not always easy to do.


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That's the problem, the hiring process for politicians strongly favors the sh**heads. You need to be popular and lie a lot. You only need to convince the dumbest 51% of the voters to get you the job.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's the problem, the hiring process for politicians strongly favors the sh**heads. You need to be popular and lie a lot. You only need to convince the dumbest 51% of the voters to get you the job.
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Would a guy get elected if the speech went:

"Bob, you want some free stuff for your cultural centre and you will get it free because Fred on the other side of the room will pay for it.

Don't worry Fred because you'll get free parking because Bob will pay for the new lot.

Mary, don't feel left out because you're going to get the free community pool you wanted because Hank is paying for it. In return Hank gets a free baseball diamond at Mary's expense.

Now that the government is involved in handling the money we have to make sure all the projects are up to the highest standards so there will be numerous oversight committees and the costs will be double the original estimates. Completion times will triple but you will have the satisfaction of getting stuff free.

Edit: Because it's government money it's public property so any riff raff can use it. If you paid for it yourself it would be half the price in a third the time and you would control it.
 
Provincial booking for people over 75 starts Monday 22nd March. In addition, more pharmacies are being added, and they have removed the upper age limt, allowing sign-up of anyone over 60 via that route.

Ontario should be getting somewhere near 1 million doses per week starting next week. There's roughly 1 million people in each 5-year age group in Ontario. So, roughly, that age threshold for the provincial booking should go down 5 years each week (presumably the pharmacy age threshold will stay where it is until the provincial threshold catches up in a couple of weeks).

If that stays on track, it's heading for over-50's to be eligible in early May.

Keep in mind that in order for "herd immunity" to work, all the herds have to have it. If the universities and colleges don't have it, they're still vulnerable to infection - the situation like what happened in Peterborough (RIP, poor guy, wasn't even part of the problem) can still happen. Older folks who opted out of being vaccinated, can still be infected via that route. The end of physical distancing and wearing masks and fully-open schools, cinemas, and Raptors games is still some time ahead.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's the problem, the hiring process for politicians strongly favors the sh**heads. You need to be popular and lie a lot. You only need to convince the dumbest 51% of the voters to get you the job.
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As I've said many times.... All what politics are is a competition to see who can lie the best and convince the populace they're being honest.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
As I've said many times.... All what politics are is a competition to see who can lie the best and convince the populace they're being honest.
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There should be a clear schedule of deliverables.

You promised XYZ by such and such date.

If you don’t deliver, you’re out. / Can’t run in the next election.

But then who do you put in. And it’s always somebody else’s fault why something can’t be done.

The previous govt
The opposition
The people don’t want it
Blah blah blah
 
Back on topic....Poland numbers have spiked (due to considerable increase in testing quantities) and now they are going into a hard lockdown until the 9th of April.

Very political date as that's the day before half the Polish gov't was knocked out by an accident en route to Smolensk...a very historically horrible spot where Russians massacred many Poles (intellectuals) to purge the ranks. Obviously the conspiracy theories about the Russians downing the plane are ripe.

So gov't has to have a memorial ceremony and they want the country opened for it.
 
2 (over 75) out of my 4 siblings have appointments in Halton for their vaccines next week...the other 2 (over 70) in York and Richmond Hill will hopefully be soon...father in law (over 80) in Guelph got his yesterday...
 
So, did anyone catch the announcement regarding restaurants that just slipped out of nowhere an hour or so ago?

In the face of climbing numbers this seems incredibly backwards.

"Outdoor dining will be allowed to resume Saturday in Toronto and Peel Region under modifications to the grey-lockdown zone and indoor dining capacities will be raised in red and orange zones, provincial officials said Friday.

The move follows a meeting by Premier Ford and his cabinet to discuss the modifications.

The change means restaurants and bars will be able to serve people from the same household outdoors, with proper distancing and other health safety measures.

Indoor dining at restaurants and bars will still not be allowed in grey-lockdown zones.

The province is also modifying the rules for areas in the red and orange zones to allow dining inside of restaurants at up to 50 per cent capacity, to a maximum of 50 people in red zones and 100 people in orange zones. Previously a maximum of 10 people were allowed inside red zone restaurants and 50 people were allowed inside orange zone restaurants."


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A bunch of local restaurants have already posted in a few local community groups that they were caught totally off guard with this and don't think that they can even accomodate this if they wanted to. They need to order massive quantities of food and alcohol all of a sudden and have it delivered....in the next 12 hours. And they need to suddenly recall a ton of staff, many of whom may not even be available anymore if they've got work elsewhere.
 
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