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GreyGhost said:
I think you are confused about your rights. Point to a governing document that prohibits a 3 day quarantine please.

Lawsuits like this are just another group of people that see this at the greatest fundraising opportunity of a generation.
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Probably a case that Rocco Galati would take on.
 
GreyGhost said:
Paying for daycare sucks. It also encourages people to have roughly the number of children they can afford to take care of. If you make everything state sponsored, some people figure out that between covered expenses and gov't cheques for each kid, cranking out children is a viable career on its own. Terrible plan.
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Hight cost of daycare today is largely the result of the Ontario Liberals plan to force Ontarians into another job subsidy -- they changed the rules when they were bleeding manufacturing jobs out of the province.

When my kids were small, lots of moms did home daycare. Many took in a few kids which let them stay at home. My friends at the time took in kids for $100-125/week, which provided them a modest income and the family that needed daycare a reasonable expense. Prices also stayed reasonable as there were no receipts, tax or declared income -- gov't had turned a blind eye to this since the beginning of time.

The liberals at the time stigmatized home day by labelling it 'unlicensed', they also clamped down on taxation which killed the economics for both users and providers.

The liberals took credit for creating thousands of 'new jobs' when all they really did was transfer home workers to the job number boards. Workers lost as they headed straight to minimum wags (about 1/2 what they made at home) and users lost as the cost of daycare doubled within a few years.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think you are confused about your rights. Point to a governing document that prohibits a 3 day quarantine please.

Lawsuits like this are just another group of people that see this at the greatest fundraising opportunity of a generation.
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The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site
www.justice.gc.ca www.justice.gc.ca

Take a look at mobility rights .
 
pfbmgd said:
Federal government faces imminent lawsuit over unlawful confinement of returning Canadian travelers | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (jccf.ca)

Finally we have people standing up for our rights .
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The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site
www.justice.gc.ca www.justice.gc.ca
pfbmgd said:
Take a look at mobility rights .
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the government has a duty to protect the people from harm, that duty should supersede your individual rights.

you`re still free to leave the country and come back. but by doing so you've acknowledged that there is risk in travelling while the rest of the world grapples with what we're trying to deal with in our own backyard. And as such your 'rights' are reduced until you are deemed to not pose a threat to the rest of us.

i get their angle, but i don't agree. the good of all has to trump the good of one.

EDIT: most arguments I've read so far say it's cruel and unusual punishment, i don't see what judge will support this.
 
Evoex said:

The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site
www.justice.gc.ca www.justice.gc.ca

the government has a duty to protect the people from harm, that duty should supersede your individual rights.

you`re still free to leave the country and come back. but by doing so you've acknowledged that there is risk in travelling while the rest of the world grapples with what we're trying to deal with in our own backyard. And as such your 'rights' are reduced until you are deemed to not pose a threat to the rest of us.

i get their angle, but i don't agree. the good of all has to trump the good of one.

EDIT: most arguments I've read so far say it's cruel and unusual punishment, i don't see what judge will support this.
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Three days in a hotel at the end of your vacation with all food provided sounds relaxing not cruel and unusual.
 
GreyGhost said:
Three days in a hotel at the end of your vacation with all food provided sounds relaxing not cruel and unusual.
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i don't doubt they will target the price tag attached.

government is trying to charge me for coming back home. waahhh
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should have just made it an airport tax applied to your return ticket with complimentary forced hotel stay.
 
pfbmgd said:

The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site
www.justice.gc.ca www.justice.gc.ca

Take a look at mobility rights .
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Mobility rights provide you the right right to enter and leave -- which you are still free to do. They do not guarantee you any freedom from rules that govern your entry or exit. For example, you cannot wander across the border into Canada without following immigration and customs rules, you can't leave the country if you are a criminal restricted from doing so.

Same goes with entering the the country. There are no guarantees that you can roam free if you are suspected to be a danger to others.
 
Mad Mike said:
Mobility rights provide you the right right to enter and leave -- which you are still free to do. They do not guarantee you any freedom from rules that govern your entry or exit. For example, you cannot wander across the border into Canada without following immigration and customs rules, you can't leave the country if you are a criminal restricted from doing so.

Same goes with entering the the country. There are no guarantees that you can roam free if you are suspected to be a danger to others.
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When you arrive in Canada and are a citizen or landed immigrant . You cannot be denied entry . You follow the laws of Canada not mandates made up for the day .

If you are demeaned to be a danger to others when entering Canada . You are to be taken to court for a hearing . You cannot be arbitrarily detained .
 
Evoex said:
EDIT: most arguments I've read so far say it's cruel and unusual punishment, i don't see what judge will support this.
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The one that follows our charter of rights . It doesn't apply only when coinvent .
 
pfbmgd said:
The one that follows our charter of rights . It doesn't apply only when coinvent .
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convenience isn't the word. it applies with limitations, it's scope is not absolute as referenced by @Mad Mike
 
Evoex said:
convenience isn't the word. it applies with limitations, it's scope is not absolute as referenced by @Mad Mike
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That is why we have laws . Show me where in CC they can detain you for a covid test or force you to quarantine facility without a hearing . What the government is doing is emergency measures . Not laws . Hence they changed their tune to fines not quarantine hotels .
 
Wingboy said:
Where does "being a good member of the community" fit into your plan?
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he's not discussing being a good member, he's speaking about the application of the law, which is fair.

i would love to know exactly what part of the charter he feels is being infringed on by the hotel stays.
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