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I taiked to a buddy today. He hadn't heard a thing about any of this. I asked if he was sure. He was. Me? F'n amazed.
Then an hr later, I taked to another dude that was less clued in than the 1st guy.
I don't know if the virus is what we need to be worried about (unless they're the only 2 on earth).
 
We have been through this before in the other thread. It is far harder for younger people to get into the market now. Not everyone takes 2 vacations a year or drives a BMW unless you have rich parents.

I had a conversation with a couple last week. They are in their early-mid 60s.
They bought their house in Woodbridge in 1981 for 90K, $262500 in todays money.
They were making 30K each back then (87K in todays money). I didnt ask them what they do but they certainly didnt look like Professionals, they would have been in their early to mid 20s in 1981.

They told me the house closed 12 months after they purchased it and in that time they were able to pay $50K (downpayment + 1 years savings).

Good luck even paying anywhere near 55% of a house today in 1 year.

It took you 4 years to save 10% down. Didnt you buy in the 80s? I think you mentioned your kids are late 20s. Housing was far cheaper, 10% of those prices is peanuts.

Your story doesnt really line up with the countless older people Ive talked to, including my family and extended family.
If everyone in the 70s and 80s were working 2 jobs they would be shoving it down young peoples throats. But they dont, because 99% of them didnt, whereas many people have full time and a part time job now.
Just like 90% of them left school at age 18 yet were able to buy houses, trucks, boats, cottages, get married and raise young children by the time they were 30 and only 60% of woman were working in 1981.

Interest rates are neg correlated with prices. Your house was 6x your salary, today its 16x. Your generation had the advantage of falling interest rates which the younger generation can never have, they cant really go much lower from here.

Your generation didnt have to compete with rich foreigners for jobs or real estate either. I know many of them who are here from Asia and Africa whose parents bought them houses, cars and paid for their expensive education. Most of them have never had a job until they turned 25.
I know because I went to school with them.

I had to wait for my keyboard to dry as it was soaked in tears, it is dry now, my life goes on.
 
I taiked to a buddy today. He hadn't heard a thing about any of this. I asked if he was sure. He was. Me? F'n amazed.
Then an hr later, I taked to another dude that was less clued in than the 1st guy.
I don't know if the virus is what we need to be worried about (unless they're the only 2 on earth).
Well on my Quest I stopped in at Loblaws, but before I parked, and I didn't want to get off the bike, I asked a guy who just left the store about the TP. Didn't notice as he wasn't really looking as he had lots. I mentioned it was sold out everywhere and people were panic buying. He had no clue.
 
Well on my Quest I stopped in at Loblaws, but before I parked, and I didn't want to get off the bike, I asked a guy who just left the store about the TP. Didn't notice as he wasn't really looking as he had lots. I mentioned it was sold out everywhere and people were panic buying. He had no clue.
Costco shopper, likely still has 10 rolls still in stock.
 

Pretty informative as well
 
I had a long talk with a pro(wife is an experienced nurse)
the death rate is pretty low, and theres no way to test everyone, so the number of confirmed cases is vastly under reported, but you cant miss dead bodies so they're accurate, the big worry is the healthcare system being overwhelmed by low risk cases, and high risk patients(elderly) not getting the care/attention they need.

So the need to self isolate is for:
1. minimizing the spread
2. Keeping the healthcare system function correctly
3. Saving as many lives as possible (mostly elderly)
 
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Yes, I bought my first home in the 80's, it was worth $125K then, today it would be about $800K.
Your story doesnt really line up with the countless older people Ive talked to, including my family and extended family.
If everyone in the 70s and 80s were working 2 jobs they would be shoving it down young peoples throats. But they dont, because 99% of them didnt, whereas many people have full time and a part time job now.
Just like 90% of them left school at age 18 yet were able to buy houses, trucks, boats, cottages, get married and raise young children by the time they were 30 and only 60% of woman were working in 1981.

Interest rates are neg correlated with prices. Your house was 6x your salary, today its 16x. Your generation had the advantage of falling interest rates which the younger generation can never have, they cant really go much lower from here.

Your generation didnt have to compete with rich foreigners for jobs or real estate either. I know many of them who are here from Asia and Africa whose parents bought them houses, cars and paid for their expensive education. Most of them have never had a job until they turned 25.
I know because I went to school with them.
We have been through this before in the other thread. It is far harder for younger people to get into the market now. Not everyone takes 2 vacations a year or drives a BMW unless you have rich parents.

I had a conversation with a couple last week. They are in their early-mid 60s.
They bought their house in Woodbridge in 1981 for 90K, $262500 in todays money.
They were making 30K each back then (87K in todays money). I didnt ask them what they do but they certainly didnt look like Professionals, they would have been in their early to mid 20s in 1981.

They told me the house closed 12 months after they purchased it and in that time they were able to pay $50K (downpayment + 1 years savings).

Good luck even paying anywhere near 55% of a house today in 1 year.

It took you 4 years to save 10% down. Didnt you buy in the 80s? I think you mentioned your kids are late 20s. Housing was far cheaper, 10% of those prices is peanuts.

Your story doesnt really line up with the countless older people Ive talked to, including my family and extended family.
If everyone in the 70s and 80s were working 2 jobs they would be shoving it down young peoples throats. But they dont, because 99% of them didnt, whereas many people have full time and a part time job now.
Just like 90% of them left school at age 18 yet were able to buy houses, trucks, boats, cottages, get married and raise young children by the time they were 30 and only 60% of woman were working in 1981.

Interest rates are neg correlated with prices. Your house was 6x your salary, today its 16x. Your generation had the advantage of falling interest rates which the younger generation can never have, they cant really go much lower from here.

Your generation didnt have to compete with rich foreigners for jobs or real estate either. I know many of them who are here from Asia and Africa whose parents bought them houses, cars and paid for their expensive education. Most of them have never had a job until they turned 25.
I know because I went to school with them.
If home ownership is what you want, I'll simplify it -- like I did for 2 of my kids who are buying their first houses now (29 and 25).

1) Learn how to save. Put 18% of your earnings away into RRSPs every year, then put your tax refund back into a TFSA. If you are an average wage earner that would be about $12500/year in savings ($8100 to RRSP, $4400 tax refund to RRSP). In 4 years you would have $50K, a big enough down payment to buy a starter house in the boonies (Oshawa, Hammer, Newmarket). If you're married, have your spouse save too so you can bump the DP to $100K.

2) Set a realistic entry level house as your first goal. Still very doable for $500K in those areas. If you're not swimming in debt, and have a combined income of $75K you can get a mortgage that carries for >$2200/mo.
 
Video on an Italian ICU. ~100 out of 800 admitted with Covid have died at this hospital.


Part of me wishes I hadn’t watched that. Some of those people lying on their fronts looked reasonably young. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but basically the dialogue seemed to suggest that once you get in that situation your screwed?
 
Part of me wishes I hadn’t watched that. Some of those people lying on their fronts looked reasonably young. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but basically the dialogue seemed to suggest that once you get in that situation your screwed?
Reporting was quite poor (big surprise). They started off saying nobody is getting better, then they jump to "he got better". I think it you are one of the worst cases you are screwed, if you are a level down (still require hospilization but at a lower level) maybe you can beat it? I wasn't clear on that either.
 
I taiked to a buddy today. He hadn't heard a thing about any of this. I asked if he was sure. He was. Me? F'n amazed.
Then an hr later, I taked to another dude that was less clued in than the 1st guy.
I don't know if the virus is what we need to be worried about (unless they're the only 2 on earth).

I know of someone who goes to work and visits family while their spouse is recovering from cancer surgery and is on chemo / radiation. Gets nose out of joint when isolation might be a good idea. Cheaper than a divorce?
 
I know of someone who goes to work and visits family while their spouse is recovering from cancer surgery and is on chemo / radiation. Gets nose out of joint when isolation might be a good idea. Cheaper than a divorce?
Ouch. Presumably they loved their spouse at some point. Having them laying on their stomach hoping not to die should bother people.

All food outlets have closed in some hospitals now. No open food/drinks allowed in work areas (apparently always policy but previously not enforced).

Some covid cases in Canada are being diagnosed post-mortem.
 
Reporting was quite poor (big surprise). They started off saying nobody is getting better, then they jump to "he got better". I think it you are one of the worst cases you are screwed, if you are a level down (still require hospilization but at a lower level) maybe you can beat it? I wasn't clear on that either.

The scariest part was that they said normal protocols for pneumonic patients weren’t working and they didn’t know why.
 
HBC closed all stores for two weeks. Workers will be paid. Thumbs up HBC.

Malls can't last too much longer now that the anchors are starting to shut up shop.
 
The scariest part was that they said normal protocols for pneumonic patients weren’t working and they didn’t know why.
Partly because it's not pneumonia. You are using the best protocols you have for similar symptoms but maybe this requires something different. Sadly, when you are operating beyond 100% capacity (basically panic mode), you don't have the time/energy/resources/authority/ethical ability to try a spectrum of treatments to see if you can find something better.
 
Going forward

Restaurants need more sinks / driers

Fast food restaurants have to start giving people cutlery

Doors have to be easy to open without hand contact

Someone has to invent an automatic nose scratcher

Is "Roll up the rim" to win still on? I chew up the rim.
 
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