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I see people cross the road when I walk towards then . I see people with masks on in their cars,while walking alone.and while riding bicycles . Do you think this is normal behavior and rational .
30ish years ago I worked for a British company that required a necktie at all times. I got used to it and never thought of ripping it off the minute I was finished working. I would be wearing it until after dinner.

If a person gets used to a mask they might just as well wear it all day.

Before covid I used to cross the road to avoid certain people as well.
 
ahhh...I see, you're one of those people self-elevated above epidemiologists, immunologists and virologists. Let me ask you a question...even if you don't believe what you’re being told by experts with infinitely more qualifications than yourself, what course of action do you think will get us back to normal quicker? Yours or theirs?

Debating with someone who refuses to listen. I've given up on it.
Whole thing is, people tend to have their beliefs, some stronger than others, and despite mountains of proof otherwise, they stick to it.
For example Flat Earthers and Anti-Vaxxers. The amount of legitimately scientific proof that disproves their beliefs is astounding, yet they refuse to listen to logic.

Why do people wear clothes? To cover areas people shouldn't see. North Americans are extremely prudish compared to Euros. Yet Euros are much more willing to accept masks overall. More social conscience is key.

Many anti-maskers are like, "if we needed masks to breathe, we would have evolved to have built in filters" - I ask, "so why are you wearing shoes?"

People say, "You're infringing on my freedumbs! You can't force me to wear a mask!!!" Ok, so why can stores post, "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs and people are OK with all of that? They forget that stores are private enterprises - they have the right so serve who they wish, and what their dress code is. If they specify that you must wear a tie-die shirt to gain entry, so be it. Yet people lose their minds over masks, all because of government/media conspiracy...

Just ridiculous... Sigh.
 
Some people are. I saw a guy at canadas wonderland that I thought had a squirrel climbing into his shirt. No. Just thick fur.
Sasquatches... a hidden reality.... ;)
 
Some people are. I saw a guy at canadas wonderland that I thought had a squirrel climbing into his shirt. No. Just thick fur.
? I think I seen that guy mowing his lawn with his shirt off. Definitely one step lower on the primate evolution scale.
 
Debating with someone who refuses to listen. I've given up on it.
Whole thing is, people tend to have their beliefs, some stronger than others, and despite mountains of proof otherwise, they stick to it.
For example Flat Earthers and Anti-Vaxxers. The amount of legitimately scientific proof that disproves their beliefs is astounding, yet they refuse to listen to logic.

Why do people wear clothes? To cover areas people shouldn't see. North Americans are extremely prudish compared to Euros. Yet Euros are much more willing to accept masks overall. More social conscience is key.

Many anti-maskers are like, "if we needed masks to breathe, we would have evolved to have built in filters" - I ask, "so why are you wearing shoes?"

People say, "You're infringing on my freedumbs! You can't force me to wear a mask!!!" Ok, so why can stores post, "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs and people are OK with all of that? They forget that stores are private enterprises - they have the right so serve who they wish, and what their dress code is. If they specify that you must wear a tie-die shirt to gain entry, so be it. Yet people lose their minds over masks, all because of government/media conspiracy...

Just ridiculous... Sigh.


There is no standart for the masks . So a my thing that covers your fave will do. Don't matter that it offers zero protection .

I go to a store I pay for my coffe . No gloves on my hands and no gloves on clerks . When I get change the money from the till that is passed to me by the clerk . At no time is the money sanitized .

Why do I give my name and number to Tims . But I can come and go at go at Home Depot or other retailer .

If you blindly follow the what you are told that is on you . Just because I don't wear a mask does not mean I'm ATI Vax or flat earth . It means I can make decisions for myself .

The numbers so low yet now you need to wear a mask .

I hope you are first to line up for the vaccine coming to your doctor's office soon . After all the government says it's safe and effective . Be a good citizen and follow the rules . Don't think for yourself let the goverment think for you .
 
If you blindly follow the what you are told that is on you . Just because I don't wear a mask does not mean I'm ATI Vax or flat earth . It means I can make decisions for myself .
So you are basing your decision around something because you are "asked to do it", rather than a group effort to help control this situation or factual information.

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There is no standart for the masks . So a my thing that covers your fave will do. Don't matter that it offers zero protection .

Statistically, a proportion of the masks worn by a proportion of the people will do a proportion of the job. If those proportions are ANYthing, it will statistically reduce transmission of the virus. If those proportions are ENOUGH, it will reduce Rt below 1 which is what is needed to make the spread of the virus diminish and eventually disappear. I prefer to do my part to help increasing those proportions.

I go to a store I pay for my coffe . No gloves on my hands and no gloves on clerks . When I get change the money from the till that is passed to me by the clerk . At no time is the money sanitized .

Contactless payment. (And in any case, it has been found that transmission by droplets is more significant than transmission by indirect contact.)

I've only used cash a couple of times in the last several months.

See above paragraph about statistics. You can help out ... by using contactless payment.

Why do I give my name and number to Tims . But I can come and go at go at Home Depot or other retailer .

Contact tracing. By the rules, this is only supposed to be if you are staying put for some time ... and it is not possible to wear a mask while eating. So, it makes sense that contact-tracing information is taken at a restaurant, where you are staying potentially in contact with other people for some significant period of time, and where you are eating, which is incompatible with wearing a mask.

Restaurants only have to take contact-tracing information if you are sitting indoors (where there is less air circulation). But if they want it from me from sitting outside (happened once) ... no argument from me.

If you are in a retail establishment, indoors, you should be wearing a mask (see above paragraph about statistics) and you are generally moving about, not staying near any other person for any more than seconds at a time.

If you blindly follow the what you are told that is on you . Just because I don't wear a mask does not mean I'm ATI Vax or flat earth . It means I can make decisions for myself .

Evidently, the decisions that you are making for yourself are to not help to reduce transmission of this virus.

The other choice is to make responsible decisions in the interest of society.

The numbers so low yet now you need to wear a mask .

Ontario is stubbornly unable to keep the numbers below 100-ish new cases per day. Other provinces are seeing increases, and it's quite evident that it's due to people not taking responsible actions. This virus is very transmissible if people don't take actions to reduce its spread. If people stopped doing anything to reduce its spread and went completely back to life before covid ... we would have Florida, or Texas.

I hope you are first to line up for the vaccine coming to your doctor's office soon . After all the government says it's safe and effective . Be a good citizen and follow the rules . Don't think for yourself let the goverment think for you .

I will listen to public health authorities whose JOB it is to sort this out.
 
There is no standart for the masks . So a my thing that covers your fave will do. Don't matter that it offers zero protection .

I go to a store I pay for my coffe . No gloves on my hands and no gloves on clerks . When I get change the money from the till that is passed to me by the clerk . At no time is the money sanitized .

Why do I give my name and number to Tims . But I can come and go at go at Home Depot or other retailer .

If you blindly follow the what you are told that is on you . Just because I don't wear a mask does not mean I'm ATI Vax or flat earth . It means I can make decisions for myself .

The numbers so low yet now you need to wear a mask .

I hope you are first to line up for the vaccine coming to your doctor's office soon . After all the government says it's safe and effective . Be a good citizen and follow the rules . Don't think for yourself let the goverment think for you .

you can’t catch it through the skin, gloves do nothing..just wash your hands...swing and a miss

you give your name at places small enough to manage that extra admin...every little helps.....swing and a miss

there is a ranking for masks that you can easily find...bandanas are the worst, fitted respirators are the best....again, every little helps and anything is infinitely better than nothing.....swing and a miss.

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see...funny thing is you’re asking people to think for themselves but you haven’t even bothered to educate yourself.
 
...If you blindly follow the what you are told that is on you . Just because I don't wear a mask does not mean I'm ATI Vax or flat earth . It means I can make decisions for myself .
Why not make a real statement about your civil liberties? Go to a Walmart, take off your socks and shoes then wander barefoot into the restroom for a dump. There's a near zero chance you'll pickup a foot disease.
 
Statistically, a proportion of the masks worn by a proportion of the people will do a proportion of the job. If those proportions are ANYthing, it will statistically reduce transmission of the virus. If those proportions are ENOUGH, it will reduce Rt below 1 which is what is needed to make the spread of the virus diminish and eventually disappear. I prefer to do my part to help increasing those proportions.



Contactless payment. (And in any case, it has been found that transmission by droplets is more significant than transmission by indirect contact.)

I've only used cash a couple of times in the last several months.

See above paragraph about statistics. You can help out ... by using contactless payment.



Contact tracing. By the rules, this is only supposed to be if you are staying put for some time ... and it is not possible to wear a mask while eating. So, it makes sense that contact-tracing information is taken at a restaurant, where you are staying potentially in contact with other people for some significant period of time, and where you are eating, which is incompatible with wearing a mask.

Restaurants only have to take contact-tracing information if you are sitting indoors (where there is less air circulation). But if they want it from me from sitting outside (happened once) ... no argument from me.

If you are in a retail establishment, indoors, you should be wearing a mask (see above paragraph about statistics) and you are generally moving about, not staying near any other person for any more than seconds at a time.



Evidently, the decisions that you are making for yourself are to not help to reduce transmission of this virus.

The other choice is to make responsible decisions in the interest of society.



Ontario is stubbornly unable to keep the numbers below 100-ish new cases per day. Other provinces are seeing increases, and it's quite evident that it's due to people not taking responsible actions. This virus is very transmissible if people don't take actions to reduce its spread. If people stopped doing anything to reduce its spread and went completely back to life before covid ... we would have Florida, or Texas.



I will listen to public health authorities whose JOB it is to sort this out.

What happens when everyone thinks their little bit of spit doesn't matter?

I worked for a window manufacturer that did large custom projects. One day someone in purchasing was wandering through the shop and casually mentioned that when they ordered material for a job they allowed 10% for breakage.

So the receiver thought he could be a bit rough unloading the shipment because it didn't matter if he broke 10%. The glass cutter thought the same. Similar for the grunts that moved the panes to the assembly area. The guys doing the assembly also hammered a little too hard. We ran out of glass for the job.

The reason we aren't in the same or worse situation as the USA is because so many people are erring on the side of caution. Unfortunately those that think they're a rebel and don't comply don't get on the end of the long list when medical attention is required.

Think of this as a challenge to do better not as a reason to whine about how your life now sucks. If wearing a mask and changing a few habits makes your life in Canada unbearable maybe your life wasn't all that great before.

Kudos to those that want to make the world a better place.
 
What happens when everyone thinks their little bit of spit doesn't matter?

I worked for a window manufacturer that did large custom projects. One day someone in purchasing was wandering through the shop and casually mentioned that when they ordered material for a job they allowed 10% for breakage.

So the receiver thought he could be a bit rough unloading the shipment because it didn't matter if he broke 10%. The glass cutter thought the same. Similar for the grunts that moved the panes to the assembly area. The guys doing the assembly also hammered a little too hard. We ran out of glass for the job.

The reason we aren't in the same or worse situation as the USA is because so many people are erring on the side of caution. Unfortunately those that think they're a rebel and don't comply don't get on the end of the long list when medical attention is required.

Think of this as a challenge to do better not as a reason to whine about how your life now sucks. If wearing a mask and changing a few habits makes your life in Canada unbearable maybe your life wasn't all that great before.

Kudos to those that want to make the world a better place.


You know why the numbers are so high in the US . They test way more .What does that mean ? 98.5% symptom free . So you need to be test to tell you you have it . I don't
Statistically, a proportion of the masks worn by a proportion of the people will do a proportion of the job. If those proportions are ANYthing, it will statistically reduce transmission of the virus. If those proportions are ENOUGH, it will reduce Rt below 1 which is what is needed to make the spread of the virus diminish and eventually disappear. I prefer to do my part to help increasing those proportions.



Contactless payment. (And in any case, it has been found that transmission by droplets is more significant than transmission by indirect contact.)

I've only used cash a couple of times in the last several months.

See above paragraph about statistics. You can help out ... by using contactless payment.



Contact tracing. By the rules, this is only supposed to be if you are staying put for some time ... and it is not possible to wear a mask while eating. So, it makes sense that contact-tracing information is taken at a restaurant, where you are staying potentially in contact with other people for some significant period of time, and where you are eating, which is incompatible with wearing a mask.

Restaurants only have to take contact-tracing information if you are sitting indoors (where there is less air circulation). But if they want it from me from sitting outside (happened once) ... no argument from me.

If you are in a retail establishment, indoors, you should be wearing a mask (see above paragraph about statistics) and you are generally moving about, not staying near any other person for any more than seconds at a time.



Evidently, the decisions that you are making for yourself are to not help to reduce transmission of this virus.

The other choice is to make responsible decisions in the interest of society.



Ontario is stubbornly unable to keep the numbers below 100-ish new cases per day. Other provinces are seeing increases, and it's quite evident that it's due to people not taking responsible actions. This virus is very transmissible if people don't take actions to reduce its spread. If people stopped doing anything to reduce its spread and went completely back to life before covid ... we would have Florida, or Texas.



I will listen to public health authorities whose JOB it is to sort this out.

Yes just be a good citizen . Follow orders without thinking . Even if there were 1000 test positive 98.5 % are symptom free .Even if there was 1000 people test positive in a province of 15 million . Yesterdays number 100 people out of 22000 tests . I'm too tired from riding today you do the math . But when you do wear a mask and a condom just in case you never know .
 
You know why the numbers are so high in the US . They test way more .What does that mean ? 98.5% symptom free . So you need to be test to tell you you have it . I don't


Yes just be a good citizen . Follow orders without thinking . Even if there were 1000 test positive 98.5 % are symptom free .Even if there was 1000 people test positive in a province of 15 million . Yesterdays number 100 people out of 22000 tests . I'm too tired from riding today you do the math . But when you do wear a mask and a condom just in case you never know .
I still haven't seen you provide a good reason for not wearing a mask other than blind defiance of the man.
 
I still haven't seen you provide a good reason for not wearing a mask other than blind defiance of the man.


If there was a standard for masks like there is for any PPE . Then yes I would wear one . But the policy just says cover your mouth and nose with ANYTHING . If the masks do not to protect others or you . It's a program for fools .
 
If there was a standard for masks like there is for any PPE . Then yes I would wear one . But the policy just says cover your mouth and nose with ANYTHING . If the masks do not to protect others or you . It's a program for fools .
What proof do you have that they do not provide protection? Yes, a standard like N95 would be ideal but there is a standard for Ontario that says two layers of cotton. That eliminates the bandana's, buffs etc the way most people use them and those were the products found to be least effective. Two layers of cotton should prevent most forward projection, obviously there is a leak around the sides of most masks but the larger droplets that suspend longer in the air hate changing direction and most should hit the mask right in front of you face.
 
You know why the numbers are so high in the US . They test way more .

No. The numbers are so high in the USA because THEY ARE FAILING AT CONTROLLING THE SPREAD OF THIS DISEASE.

As of right now, Canada has done just over 5 million tests. The positivity rate is given as 2.3%. Epidemiological summary of COVID-19 cases in Canada - Canada.ca

US test positivity by state: Track Testing Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

As of right now - States or regions in which test positivity is below Canada's average: Alaska, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia. All other states are reporting higher test positivity - in many cases, much higher.

Some of those states - Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island - are states that were hit hard and are on the mend.

Most of the others are low population and/or low population density states that have not been hit hard.
 
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