Coronavirus

[nobbie48]

It looks like Italy was ~17 days for 100 cases to 10,000 cases and ~20 days from 10,000 to 100,000 (they are at ~85,000 now, I am extrapolating out)

US was ~17 days for 100 to 10,000 and 8 days from 10,000 to 100,000.

Some of those reported cases will have been affected by who gets tested and when they get tested but it is not looking good for the US.

I'm not sure if a direct comparison works as many European countries do more daily shopping and do hug greetings, Still, the US rate looks like the take off track of an F-18

 

[FullMotoJacket]

You want the mass populace to go marching into China with torch and forks?

I would have no issues whatsoever about the mass populace marching into those wet markets.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Bullsht. The name "Coronavirus" was NEVER used widely until Wuhan, then apologists immediately began to spew exactly what you're saying when they renamed it "covid-19". Of course the Spanish Flu, Hong Kong flu, Swine Flu et al. all had their own scientific names, but those were never used.

You don't seem to understand that "Cornavirus" is a group classification. Covid is a specific named virus within that group.

Kind of like how a "Truck" is a group of things, but a "Chevrolet" is a specific make and model within that group.

And to suggest it was never used Widely is silly. Remember MERS, SARS, etc? There was plenty of searches for the word "Cornavirus" through those outbreaks as well - go check Google Trends if you don't believe me. Those were all Coronavirus's and they he their own names as well. SARS was "SARS-CoV" because it was claimed a syndrome name as well - "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome", MERS was "MERS-CoV" - Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, etc etc etc.

Are you just angry because the scientific community didn't decide to name this "ChinaVirus" or something?

 

[Robbo]

Isn’t that what caused this whole $hitshow in the first place Full Moto Jacket ???

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[nobbie48]

As someone involved in manufacturing ... I'd like to know what part of GM's existing production equipment they propose to leverage in order to manufacture a completely unrelated product. They need these ventilators NOW or maybe a week or two from now. There is no way you are going to change over production equipment in order to make a completely different product that is put together in a completely different way, so it can only be something rigged up from re-purposed bits and pieces that are already in production.

Conceptual design: A centrifugal blower of appropriate pressure rating, a couple of flapper valves to switch the outlet hose from the discharge to the inlet of the blower in an alternating pattern, a little actuator of some sort to change over the flapper valves (would have to be electric - an air cylinder would require a compressed air supply), and an electrical panel with a small power supply and PLC and contactor sets to make it all work. A potential obstacle is that I don't know how you would synchronise this with the patient's natural attempts to breathe (or if you have to do that) - if the problem is that the patient can only halfheartedly breathe, you want to work "with" and never work "against" the patient's natural attempts to breathe, and I don't know how you would do that.

Something rigged up in a hurry like this will NOT have any meaningful countermeasures against component failures. It will NOT pass FMEA. It will NOT have redundant components in the event of a failure. I am sure that there are standards which apply to medical equipment ... which I am not familiar with, but almost certainly a rigged up contraption would not be in compliance. And it means that any company proposing to build something like this, would have to be protected from liability. In the USA? Good luck with that. In Europe? No CE marking for you - no declaration of conformity - can't import it. I'm sure that under the circumstances, some way of waiving some of these requirements could be arranged ... but the manufacturer has to be protected from liability after all this is over.

Way over my head. I envisioned a Red Green job, Windshield wiper pumping an air bag through an exhaust pipe.

Considering the sue anything that moves mentality any cure less than perfect will scare a manufacturer. GM will have to start a new division to create a financial firewall.

 

[油井緋色]

I would have no issues whatsoever about the mass populace marching into those wet markets.

Frankly I wouldn't either because we're overpopulated and a massive culling of the ignorant would be beneficial for those not stupid enough to march in. But if we're being realistic, China has 20% of the world's population. They will win.

But hey, I guess we both agree with Thanos!

 

[Roadghost]

It's not. However, it encourages racism because the vast majority are ignorant and emotional as ****. How exactly does promoting the location of a disease (which can easily be Google-able) help with preventing future incidents? You want the mass populace to go marching into China with torch and forks?

Help me understand how shoving the location of a disease/virus' name that goes worldwide helps prevent China from doing the same **** again because all I can see is the unnecessary racism effect.

If the Chinese government is not embarrassed, they will not act to end the problem. They may end it now, since Shi Jinping is being ridiculed so much, and so many people are asking questions. But that's not being helped by people in the west who are afraid of offending China (Chinese government more explicitly) I've had good, long discussions with friends from Hong Kong and they're the ones that convinced me the blame has to be put on Chinese government. They think Jinping should resign or be executed for this mess. And they're not worried about any racist backlash, they call it the Wuhan Virus.

 

[GreyGhost]

Way over my head. I envisioned a Red Green job, Windshield wiper pumping an air bag through an exhaust pipe.

Considering the sue anything that moves mentality any cure less than perfect will scare a manufacturer. GM will have to start a new division to create a financial firewall.

Well, that is a good argument for getting Trumpy to force you to do it instead of selling your death machines. "We didn't want to do it. We weren't qualified and didn't have the appropriate facilities but gov't made us. Look, we have documentation. Sue Trumpy for forcing this on the people."

 

[nobbie48]

Because the media might be smartening up to stop encouraging racism by shoving a location to a disease's name. General public is ignorant enough to assume Koreans, Taiwanese, Viet, Philipino, Japanese etc. etc. would be from Hong Kong or China. And by that token, the "Spanish flu" would be thrown at Mexicans, Brazillians, and whoever else looks Latino.

A large percentage of the population only knows black, white or other.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Personally, I'm glad the scientific community act like adults versus some of the leaders in the USA calling it childish things like "Kung Flu" or flipping out and insisting it be called "Wuhan virus" or whatever they're trying to push today.

The next big virus could come from anywhere. If it originated in Canada for example because some street meat vendor in Montreal or Vancouver or wherever didn't clean out his hot water tank well enough or something, none of us would be impressed if it was called "CanadianVirus".

And again, as several people have mentioned, the scientific community are all grownups and realize we all live on the same globe.

 

[nobbie48]

JT is doing more handouts. Any mention of curbing profiteering? I can see companies and individuals finding loopholes in the panic legislation.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Frankly I wouldn't either because we're overpopulated and a massive culling of the ignorant would be beneficial for those not stupid enough to march in. But if we're being realistic, China has 20% of the world's population. They will win.

Nice deflection. Sunny would be proud.

 

[Roadghost]

You don't seem to understand that "Cornavirus" is a group classification. Covid is a specific named virus within that group.

Kind of like how a "Truck" is a group of things, but a "Chevrolet" is a specific make and model within that group.

And to suggest it was never used Widely is silly. Remember MERS, SARS, etc? There was plenty of searches for the word "Cornavirus" through those outbreaks as well - go check Google Trends if you don't believe me. Those were all Coronavirus's and they he their own names as well. SARS was "SARS-CoV" because it was claimed a syndrome name as well - "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome", MERS was "MERS-CoV" - Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, etc etc etc.

Are you just angry because the scientific community didn't decide to name this "ChinaVirus" or something?

I know what the "family" of corona viruses are. But the term "Coronavirus" was colloquially applied to this particular strain exclusively and was widely used. Scientific names were almost never applied to these diseases until someone started getting offended. So Chinese Bird Influenza became known by their scientific names - H1N1, H1N2, and so-on. If a virus is widely known as Chinese Bird Flu, why would someone deliberately try to push the scientific name to cover up its origins? Probably because someone in the Chinese government is offended. Well, that's too bad. If they don't like it they should clean up their food supply.

 

[油井緋色]

If the Chinese government is not embarrassed, they will not act to end the problem. They may end it now, since Shi Jinping is being ridiculed so much, and so many people are asking questions. But that's not being helped by people in the west who are afraid of offending China (Chinese government more explicitly) I've had good, long discussions with friends from Hong Kong and they're the ones that convinced me the blame has to be put on Chinese government. They think Jinping should resign or be executed for this mess. And they're not worried about any racist backlash, they call it the Wuhan Virus.

....you know Hong Kong (and Taiwan) citizens really hate China right? Their opinions are emotionally loaded. I also really ******* hate China due to my Taiwanese roots. However, the Chinese are extremely prideful. Try to talk **** about China to a Chinese person and you'll find blind patriotism that rivals the south's "GUNS, FREEDOM, AND MURICA!" culture.

Pressure from outside countries into China won't matter either because the great firewall of China is terrifyingly effective (also plays into the patriotism I mentioned.) So all we get, once again, is racism.

The solution I see is for Western businesses to stop dealing with China...but we're not gonna do that. It's too profitable and it would make a **** ton of goods dramatically increase in price. That would directly impact all of us and nobody wants to pay.

So really, I'm gonna focus on our home (Canada) and ask why the **** our government is doing a such a bad job with flattening the curve.

Nice deflection. Sunny would be proud.

Did I misinterpret your original post? You literally quoted my post about marching with pitch forks into China which implies bloodshed.

 

[Trials]

Where it came from is at best an educated guess. Always will be.

... and ya! "we're overpopulated and a massive culling of the ignorant would be beneficial" WE are we overpopulated? or are you Chinese?

 

[nobbie48]

....you know Hong Kong (and Taiwan) citizens really hate China right? Their opinions are emotionally loaded. I also really ******* hate China due to my Taiwanese roots. However, the Chinese are extremely prideful. Try to talk **** about China to a Chinese person and you'll find blind patriotism that rivals the south's "GUNS, FREEDOM, AND MURICA!" culture.

Pressure from outside countries into China won't matter either because the great firewall of China is terrifyingly effective (also plays into the patriotism I mentioned.) So all we get, once again, is racism.

The solution I see is for Western businesses to stop dealing with China...but we're not gonna do that. It's too profitable and it would make a **** ton of goods dramatically increase in price. That would directly impact all of us and nobody wants to pay.

So really, I'm gonna focus on our home (Canada) and ask why the **** our government is doing a such a bad job with flattening the curve.



Did I misinterpret your original post? You literally quoted my post about marching with pitch forks into China which implies bloodshed.

Should lung cancer be called American cancer? Tobacco originated in the Americas, American tobacco companies modified it to make it more addictive. Still selling it and getting into vaping,

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Any mention of curbing profiteering?

Douggie mentioned something in his press conference yesterday about if retailers didn't stop jacking prices up for necessary items he would draft legislation to force them.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Where it came from is at best an educated guess. Always will be.

Exactly.

If someone here gets sick on my aforementioned ****** hot dog in Montreal, then jumps on a plane and flies to Australia and becomes patient zero in some new novel outbreak.....?

Then....?

OMG AUSTRALIAviRuS!!!1!! Demonize Australia! Filthy Koalabonkers been putting too many Kangaroos on the barbie!

Or you know, we could just let the scientific community give it a name, come up with a plan to save the world again, and deal with it like big boys.

They seem to have a pretty good grasp on where THIS virus came from. The same will not always be true. Lets all act like adults regardless.

 

[油井緋色]

Where it came from is at best an educated guess. Always will be.

... and ya! "we're overpopulated and a massive culling of the ignorant would be beneficial" WE are we overpopulate? or are you Chinese?

Well...let me explain.

I work in software, and therefore a lot of automation. I've always viewed robotics and automation as a way to decrease the amount of working hours for those who are not in the 1%. However, the general populace sees automation as job losses (which is true.) This greatly decreases technological advances and therefore quality of life. We could have 100% self driving cars, robots doing warehouse work, robots as cashiers, and any job that isn't heavily "thinking based" become automated literally in a few months if we focused purely on innovation.

In the ideal world, we could go off and live like we did in our childhoods again then! Lots of free time to be bored and creative, finding a purpose, etc. etc.....but we can't. We can't because:

• Our monetary system is flawed due to the 1% issue
• We have too many people

We can change the monetary system....but the 1% won't allow that. So what's the next best option? Make the working force a valuable resource by limiting supply. It is in that sense that I believe we're overpopulated and why I won't have children.

Also by we, I mean the world.

 

[GreyGhost]

JT is doing more handouts. Any mention of curbing profiteering? I can see companies and individuals finding loopholes in the panic legislation.

I haven't seen anything useful in writing yet. Just talking points at a press conference. The devil is in the details of all of these announcements. The 10% wage subsidy was capped at $1375/employee and 25000/company. 75% sounds great, but for most, it will be the caps that come into play unless he increases them by far more than 7.5x.

As a starting point, the 40K loan with 10K forgivable seems strange. Why would you not apply for a free 10K? If the application is so onerous, it's not worth your time, it wont be very helpful to a struggling business either.

Once things are in writing, people can look for holes.