conservatives hire consultants at $90k a day from now til april

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you do realize where those PHDs that want to work in the consulting field end up right?....mckinsey, bain, deloitte, accenture etc etc...big firms...you're telling me you want to hire a bookworm with no xp to fix our problems...sounds like you voted liberal

Deloitte is a global company, they have many offices here in Canada - local talent that works for the 'uk based company' - just to deal with local (and sensitive) issues. Outsourcing isn't necessarily the same as offshoring. With that being said, it is too bad the money isn't going back to the little guy (smaller local firms that are wholely based here)....but the little guy doesn't have the talent or experience to tackle these problems.

nice link, just because one of 170,000 deloitte employees is a rotten apple, must mean the rest of the company is too right?

And no, i don't work for Deloitte.

I just love it when people misinterpret **** and then blow it up.

I'm sure Deloitte has extremely smart people who more than capable of doing their job, I just don't like the fact that a corp. is doing the job of government. I didn't say they off-shored, they outsourced. I can't find anything that suggests this is a usual step for government to take. And yeah, just one guy out of 170 000 is a rotten apple.

They're spending the equivalent a years pay of two service Canada clerks, a day, to get advice on who to fire. It will be interesting to see where those jobs are cut and weather or not they're in line with Harper proposed in the first place.
 
Even a rudimentary understanding of business and government practises, along with some reading comprehension, make the decision to hire consultants perfectly understandable and logical. It's something that ALL levels of government, from ALL parties, do as a matter of routine. A 30 second Google search of "Liberal, consultant" will yield results that make this look like a drop in the bucket.
Headlines like this play well to the lunch-pail brigade, who can't conceive of nnumbers that high having value because of their own limitations, and the anti-Harper crowd, who would find a way to condemn him if he found a cure for cancer, AIDS and stuttering all at once.
 
I'm sure Deloitte has extremely smart people who more than capable of doing their job, I just don't like the fact that a corp. is doing the job of government. I didn't say they off-shored, they outsourced. I can't find anything that suggests this is a usual step for government to take. And yeah, just one guy out of 170 000 is a rotten apple.

They're spending the equivalent a years pay of two service Canada clerks, a day, to get advice on who to fire. It will be interesting to see where those jobs are cut and weather or not they're in line with Harper proposed in the first place.

Great piece from Alain Picard on the eHealth Scandal

Andre Picard, a Canadian public health reporter, argued that the public’s focus should be on the delivery of electronic health records and not “disingenuous tsk-tsking about the hiring of consultants.” He writes, “the true scandal in Ontario is the utter failure of the Ministry of Health to create electronic health records, which will ultimately lead to better and more efficient patient care.”Picard argued that Ministry of Health bureaucrats are powerless when it comes to making real change in healthcare, as their political boss’s only vision for healthcare is not irritating the public so they can be re-elected. The result is change and innovation can, seemingly, only come from independent agencies or outside consultants.

Even academics, which I will not deny are intelligent people, have a vested interest in the status quo. Feds pony about 30% of the funding to Universities...you think they are going to even LOOK at cutting there? Also, which province do you pick from? Will someone from BC be ****** off someone from U of T was chosen? Damn straight they will be.

At the OP...come on now. I think we know which way you lean from the many threads you start trying to bash the current government. But this is just media fear mongering on a slow news day.
 
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While I don't hold back criticism for our government when it's due, I am not opposed to this in principle. The potential ROI looks huge and I would rather have the country run by consultants that are experts in the particular areas of governance, than by politicians who lied their way into the office :cool:
 
when are voters going to wake up and realize that it's the same ****, no matter who's in power.

+1 and then some.

No matter who's in power and what type of programs they try to support, someone always get the butt end of the stick and gets screwed.
 
I'm sure Deloitte has extremely smart people who more than capable of doing their job, I just don't like the fact that a corp. is doing the job of government. I didn't say they off-shored, they outsourced. I can't find anything that suggests this is a usual step for government to take. And yeah, just one guy out of 170 000 is a rotten apple.

They're spending the equivalent a years pay of two service Canada clerks, a day, to get advice on who to fire. It will be interesting to see where those jobs are cut and weather or not they're in line with Harper proposed in the first place.

if you need a hammer to fix something, you go and buy a hammer. Unless you're one of those folks that think its worthwhile to spend the next 5 years crafting one in your basement.
 
I'm sure Deloitte has extremely smart people who more than capable of doing their job, I just don't like the fact that a corp. is doing the job of government. I didn't say they off-shored, they outsourced. I can't find anything that suggests this is a usual step for government to take. And yeah, just one guy out of 170 000 is a rotten apple.

They're spending the equivalent a years pay of two service Canada clerks, a day, to get advice on who to fire. It will be interesting to see where those jobs are cut and weather or not they're in line with Harper proposed in the first place.

if that's all you think consultants are brought in for, you watch too much TV.
 
At the OP...come on now. I think we know which way you lean from the many threads you start trying to bash the current government. But this is just media fear mongering on a slow news day.

you think so? I'm against a lot of things the provincial libs have done too, and when I was out west I was against a lot of things that the NDP did. tell me who I voted for last provincial election.
 
OK, when the Federal government awards a 20 million dollar contract to a Canadian division of a multinational accounting firm to advise on cutting 4 billion of spending and that's bad.

But it's OK when the Provincial government awards a 6.6 billion dollar contract to the Korean company Samsung to develop one of the most expensive means of generating electricity and raising electricity prices through the roof? Am I missing something here? :rolleyes:
 
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Even a rudimentary understanding of business and government practises, along with some reading comprehension, make the decision to hire consultants perfectly understandable and logical. It's something that ALL levels of government, from ALL parties, do as a matter of routine. A 30 second Google search of "Liberal, consultant" will yield results that make this look like a drop in the bucket.
Headlines like this play well to the lunch-pail brigade, who can't conceive of nnumbers that high having value because of their own limitations, and the anti-Harper crowd, who would find a way to condemn him if he found a cure for cancer, AIDS and stuttering all at once.

Yes, I do know the government has in the past, outsourced projects to the private sector. But again, I could not find an instance where gov. paid an outside source for help making budget cuts, which will directly effect peoples lives.... And Harper curing cancer and AIDS, really? Apparently, he has trouble getting in and out of bathrooms.

Andre Picard, a Canadian public health reporter, argued that the public’s focus should be on the delivery of electronic health records and not “disingenuous tsk-tsking about the hiring of consultants.” He writes, “the true scandal in Ontario is the utter failure of the Ministry of Health to create electronic health records, which will ultimately lead to better and more efficient patient care.”Picard argued that Ministry of Health bureaucrats are powerless when it comes to making real change in healthcare, as their political boss’s only vision for healthcare is not irritating the public so they can be re-elected. The result is change and innovation can, seemingly, only come from independent agencies or outside consultants.

Even academics, which I will not deny are intelligent people, have a vested interest in the status quo. Feds pony about 30% of the funding to Universities...you think they are going to even LOOK at cutting there? Also, which province do you pick from? Will someone from BC be ****** off someone from U of T was chosen? Damn straight they will be.

At the OP...come on now. I think we know which way you lean from the many threads you start trying to bash the current government. But this is just media fear mongering on a slow news day.

IDK why everything is bold and italicized. I can't undo it for some reason.

I get it, but I don't think this is the exactly same as what we're seeing with Deloitte. They're asking for help in forming policy. Martin did it without some co's help, why can't Flaherty.

You're right about ****** off Westerners so he'd make a team representative of all of Canada.

if you need a hammer to fix something, you go and buy a hammer. Unless you're one of those folks that think its worthwhile to spend the next 5 years crafting one in your basement.

Ahh but with the infinite resources of the Government of Canada, I'd be able to make that hammer, in my basement, in 1 day.

if that's all you think consultants are brought in for, you watch too much TV.

I watch no TV. I don't even have cable; don't need it.

And I'm not saying all consultants do the same thing or aren't useful.




last one...promise.

At the OP...come on now. I think we know which way you lean from the many threads you start trying to bash the current government. But this is just media fear mongering on a slow news day.

Harper isn't a conservative. He and leaders like him are now the 'right-wing' because Regan changed the definition of conservatism. Christian theocracy, Industrial Military Complex, deficit spending, blah, blah, blah. The only popular non-Neo-Con I know of is Ron Paul. I would vote for him if he was Canadian, running for PM, and had a sensible platform. I don't like Harper because his politics are purposely divisive and full of **** errr hate and people know it.

I'm not editing this ****.
 
doesn't mean anything but you rarely hear of Harper in Calgary since his riding is in Calgary. Even the newspapers don't say much about him.
 
Our politicians should be making decisions based upon the best information available - based on this, it is probably worthwhile to hire outside experts to delve into the problems and suggest solutions. Will we get value for the money spent? That remains to be seen.

Cutting back on government expenditures is only one side of the equation though. Increasing revenues through an overhaul of the income tax system needs to be examined as well. We need a Warren Buffett tax and higher corporate taxes here in Canada but I suspect the current government won't even look at that for fear of angering their base of financial support.
 
Yes, I do know the government has in the past, outsourced projects to the private sector. But again, I could not find an instance where gov. paid an outside source for help making budget cuts, which will directly effect peoples lives.... And Harper curing cancer and AIDS, really? Apparently, he has trouble getting in and out of bathrooms.
It's not exclusively about budget cuts, it's about finding efficiencies. Government is an enormous enterprise, with many silos working independently and often in parallel, unbeknownst to each other. An outside audit is more likely to find redundancies than an internal one. Internally, people will naturally hide any negatives as they fight to protect their little fiefdoms.
Yes, outside agencies have been used in the past for exactly this sort of thing, in greater and lesser degrees. I have some personal experience with this. It doesn't typically make the news because it's almost routine. But when there's a chance to create a sensationalistic headline and stir up the anti-Harper crowd, the papers waste no time. Obviously, it works.;)
 
IDK why everything is bold and italicized. I can't undo it for some reason.

I get it, but I don't think this is the exactly same as what we're seeing with Deloitte. They're asking for help in forming policy. Martin did it without some co's help, why can't Flaherty.
Martin accomplished a ton of what he did by downloading costs onto the provinces to make the MPP's look like the bad guys. For example, when I started University the Feds were paying 50% of the subsized cost of post secondary education. When I was done, the Feds were paying less than 20%. Some got dumped onto students in the form of Tuition fees, however most of it had to be absorbed by the provinces. In a "have" province like Ontario, this was exceptionally painful. Said downloading is not an option this time as it would just destroy many provinces and municipalities.
You're right about ****** off Westerners so he'd make a team representative of all of Canada.

Simple OB would tell us this won't work. If you slammed a bunch of academics from around the country in a room they'd spent all their time trying to get their individual theories front and center. Academics are primarily concerned with making sure their name gets on the paper and their theory is utilized, not about a solution. (E.g. Rozanski report anyone?)


I watch no TV. I don't even have cable; don't need it.

So where...pray tell...do you get your information? From the internet? From the newspaper? From the radio?
 
[video=youtube;-ep_54vn5QE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ep_54vn5QE[/video]
 
^ people say harper is an idiot for hiring consultants. what do you call the people who still vote for him?
 
Deloitte provides a very useful bunch of outside eyes, that look at the situation without preconceptions. I have no problem with this sort of thing, in fact I applaud the use of outside auditors, as long as it:

a) ... results in efficiencies.

b) ... reports that the easiest way for the Federal Government to save money is to STOP SPENDING MILLIONS TELLING US WHAT A GOOD JOB THEY'RE DOING!!!
 
b) ... reports that the easiest way for the Federal Government to save money is to STOP SPENDING MILLIONS TELLING US WHAT A GOOD JOB THEY'RE DOING!!!

Easily done when the pundits stop the witch hunt. ;)

And no government in the history of Canada has ever spent money on shameless self promotion. ;)
 
[video=youtube;-ep_54vn5QE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ep_54vn5QE[/video]

Hence need for shameless self promotion by the Conservative government.

I love Mercer...but cmon...I love how he emphasizes "BAY STREET" and "TORONTO" in the first 30 seconds. Does this guy know who he's pandering to or what?
 

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