Car vs Bike, yes again. Shot at TMP.

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fastar1 said:
Sure, but the topic is car vs bike, not driver vs. rider. Why would we handicap the bike's results by using a less than ideal rider?
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Who would be the ideal rider? Rossi??? Steve Bond isn't exactly a newbie. Probably better than your average rider. Maybe they should have called up Schumacher to run the cars?
 
beverage said:
Who would be the ideal rider? Rossi??? Steve Bond isn't exactly a newbie. Probably better than your average rider. Maybe they should have called up Schumacher to run the cars?
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"Not a newbie" is hardly a ringing endorsement. Somebody who has won races would be a good start.
 
invictus43 said:
I'm sure the car guys weren't Ayrton Senna-esque...
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They don't have to be race winning drivers to beat 'average' riders. That's the whole problem with he comparo.

But if they got highly qualified riders then they should get highly qualified drivers to make it fair, since the 'average' driver still isn't going to get the most out of the cars.
 
fastar1 said:
"Not a newbie" is hardly a ringing endorsement. Somebody who has won races would be a good start.
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Bond races. Maybe not cutting edge, but he races. And I'm sure he puts down thousands more miles on dozens more bikes per year than almost anyone on this site.
 
beverage said:
Who would be the ideal rider? Rossi??? Steve Bond isn't exactly a newbie. Probably better than your average rider. Maybe they should have called up Schumacher to run the cars?
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I'll go you one better. Steve is a better rider than most on this board; long time rider, former racer (not that far in the past). He just has trouble folding his Sasquatch height body onto most sportbikes. I would trust him to properly put the bike through its paces.

It's no surprise that supercars can out-turn, and out-brake superbikes. I look at the difference in costs, however, and realize that I could own a dozen bikes (or more) for the same price.
 
fastar1 said:
They don't have to be race winning drivers to beat 'average' riders. That's the whole problem with he comparo.

But if they got highly qualified riders then they should get highly qualified drivers to make it fair, since the 'average' driver still isn't going to get the most out of the cars.
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It is what it is..pretty good car guys versus pretty good bike guys. Cars won on the track. It's not surprising..even those cars generate a moderate level of downforce..and they have huge tires to take advantage of it.
 
invictus43 said:
It is what it is..pretty good car guys versus pretty good bike guys. Cars won on the track. It's not surprising..even those cars generate a moderate level of downforce..and they have huge tires to take advantage of it.
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Additionally most normal people can recover from a 4 wheel drift, in a car. For most normal people a two wheel drift, on a bike, is also referred to as a crash.
 
Apples to oranges. I wish I could get that 10 minutes of reading back.
 
N3WMAN said:
Maybe if they had someone who could actually ride a bike it would have been a better comparison. The GSXR-750 breaking test was a joke.
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So tell us about your extensive riding career then. And it's 'braking' not 'breaking'.
 
And why doesn't the reporter have any leathers on when he rides the Diavel? Is this a Red Dawn trackday?
 
invictus43 said:
It is what it is..
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Exactly. It shows how supercars perform next to sport bikes in the hands of very competent drivers. What it doesn't do is answer the question of which is faster, supercar or sport bike, because even these drivers are the limiting factors in this test.
 
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