J_F
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excellent plan
and like another wise member said here awhile back
if the dog is there
you're not drinking alone
Happy Thanksgiving to you hosers
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Canada Votes 2019
- Thread starter Mad Mike
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excellent plan
and like another wise member said here awhile back
if the dog is there
you're not drinking alone
Happy Thanksgiving to you hosers
Any kind of viable threat and they wouldn't have had their party.
Socialism is wonderful up until you run out of other peoples money to spend ! ?
Mad Mike
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We don't have unchecked capitalism in Canada, the risk of this is mitigated in our highly regulated economy. We are a trading nation, our economy catches the same cold as the US or sometimes global economy.
The risk of an unchecked public sector is a far greater domestic threat to a small country. Go read up on Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal or Ireland to see what happens when the un-checked public sector kills off business and becomes the country's economic engine.
Mad Mike
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I'm all for fringe parties being on the political stage -- they provoke thought and their laser focus helps them make hay on a singular issue which is a great public service. If they rise in popularity, the parties that are well enough organized to govern become influenced and begin to address the concern, I think that is happening now.
Don't kid yourself about their ability to govern, they don't possess that. They have neither the experience not qualified inventory of personnel to lead the country. They do have a voice, it's stirring debate, that's valuable and that's why they are and should be included in the process.
It's pretty simple. The last I checked, something like 11% of jobs in ontario were salaried government employees. When almost the entirety of that group is making more money and getting better pensions than the median private sector job, we are in deep trouble. As a ballpark number, each taxpayer has to cover 1/10th of an employee's total compensation (which is probably 10 to 15K). We are already on the edge of the precipice. You need money to come into the province/country. Strictly relying on churning within is destined for failure. As government grows, by definition, less money comes in and more money gets spent on compensation. You obviously need some structure, but holy crap, more than 10%???
J_F
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Mad Mike
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I like the move.
For a very long time I operated a small business in Toronto. At the time min wage was $11.50 ish an hour. I had 16 employees that were in minimum wage positions, by that I mean their expectation was minimum wage for the jobs they performed. I paid 30% above the minimum wage, I did it because that's what I found it cost to get the best in the business - employees that showed up every day, maintained a high level of productivity, and were not constantly looking for that job that would pay 25cents an hour above minimum wage.
When I sold my business in 2012, the new owners took about 10 seconds to figure out moving to another jurisdiction where wages were commensurate with the value of work would add $200K to the bottom line -- so that's what they did. 16 reasonable paying low skilled jobs left the province along with 5 mid skill high paying jobs.
When I started the business in 2002 there were about 25 commercial knitters in Toronto and about 25,000 low skilled workers employed in knitting and sewing in Toronto. All but 2 knitting factories and virtually all garment sewing is gone -- ask those 25000 people if they would prefer to have kept their jobs.
Mad Mike
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Sorry mate, the country has socialism -- lots of it.
We have an official federal socialist party, NDP New Democratic Party - Wikipedia , which also has official parties registered in every provincial and territory in the country. A the federal level, socialists represent 39 electoral districts. At the provincial level they govern 1 province and are the official opposition in 4 provinces.
Mad Mike
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I think the public sector represents 20% of the Canadian workforce - remember we have 3, sometimes 4 levels of government. The average public sector wages were $55K in 2014, about 30% above the average wage of 42K at that time -- so the carrying costs higher than 1 in 5.
bigpoppa
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This sort of wisdom has no place on the interwebz my good sir!
Mad Mike
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That's the Dictionary.com definition and if you asked a poly-sci student, they would say that's a vague and simplistic definition. In the context of this discussion, the correct political definition for NDP would be market-socialist. As noted above, they have both influence and power in Canada.
A friend of mine got a visit from CSIS a couple of years ago for some 3am messages left on Mr. Dressup's voicemail.
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bigpoppa
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How did he get his number to begin with?
Home, office, I'm not quite sure. By the sound of it you wouldn't find it on a gov.ca site. It's hard to follow the narrative once he gets triggered by the T word. Everything is interspersed with jihadist mother ****** this and traitorous fem Nazi that, with a few gloabalists and executes thrown in for good measure.
Roadghost
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It's a publicity stunt that started in Australia. They blamed it on the police there too.
Howard’s biggest regret as Prime Minister
IT’S been more than a decade since an Australian prime minister served a full term in office, a record still held by John Howard.
www.news.com.au
Oz PM Howard says he regrets the stunt now, which he did to pass their radical gun control. We'll never get that kind of regret from Trudeau, he's dishonest to the bone.
bigpoppa
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Did his rants often include hillary and george soros?
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