Canada Votes 2019

[boyoboy]

Fair point.

However:

NDP have no fiscal responsibility either. Furthermore i find the Greens and the NDP far too fringe based to get my vote, that and their platforms typically don't support my interests. Bloc is LOL. I suppose PPC is my only real alternative, perhaps i shall consider this further before i check the box.

Also, as i previously mentioned; unless you live in a swing district it may be as if you never voted.

I stopped voting NDP when bob rae served as our provincial leader way back then.
The greens are a good alternative. Without a healthy environment you cannot have a healthy economy. Simple. They are not independent of each other.
The green leader speaks genuinely, cons leader smirking like the people don't matter and they're still going to believe. and the liberal leader has low character and doesn't even hide the corruption with his bad acting. Firing women MP's for telling the truth. Unbelievable corrution.
The green and ndp have growing support. Together they present ~ 20% or more of the popular vote. Both the cons and libs deserve to lose a lot more seats.

Saying that people's votes won't matter unless their in swing district is very short sighted. It does matter. Every vote brings funding to the party. and opens eyes.

PPC ? I just can't get past the leaders nazi haircut ...its an insult to every veteran's family from WW two. imo.

 

[Evoex]

I stopped voting NDP when bob rae served as our provincial leader way back then.
The greens are a good alternative. Without a healthy environment you cannot have a healthy economy. Simple. They are not independent of each other.
The green leader speaks genuinely, cons leader smirking like the people don't matter and they're still going to believe. and the liberal leader has low character and doesn't even hide the corruption with his bad acting. Firing women MP's for telling the truth. Unbelievable corrution.
The green and ndp have growing support. Together they present ~ 20% or more of the popular vote. Both the cons and libs deserve to lose a lot more seats.

Saying that people's votes won't matter unless their in swing district is very short sighted. It does matter. Every vote brings funding to the party. and opens eyes.

PPC ? I just can't get past the leaders nazi haircut ...its an insult to every veteran's family from WW two. imo.

You'll find i speak openly about not having to like the leader to vote for the party.

As for votes mattering, you need to remember the context in which i said it. For example; Good luck if you vote con or liberal in the danforth or trinity-spadina. They are NDP strongholds and likely will be forever. How about the Bloc in Alberta how much are the votes worth there?

Greens:

I'll be selfish and just admit i don't care much about the environment, the main reason being that i don't believe we'll make a big enough footprint to matter without the U.S. moving in lock step.

They believe in increasing foreign aid when our own people are suffering. Something like 1 in 7 people in Toronto lives in poverty, sorry i don't really give a damn about improving the life of someone on another continent with that hanging over our heads.

Clearly they are fiscally irresponsible, again not something i can live with.

 

[boyoboy]

You'll find i speak openly about not having to like the leader to vote for the party.

As for votes mattering, you need to remember the context in which i said it. For example; Good luck if you vote con or liberal in the danforth or trinity-spadina. They are NDP strongholds and likely will be forever. How about the Bloc in Alberta how much are the votes worth there?

Greens:

I'll be selfish and just admit i don't care much about the environment, the main reason being that i don't believe we'll make a big enough footprint to matter without the U.S. moving in lock step. EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING.

They believe in increasing foreign aid when our own people are suffering. Something like 1 in 7 people in Toronto lives in poverty, sorry i don't really give a damn about improving the life of someone on another continent with that hanging over our heads.

Clearly they are fiscally irresponsible, again not something i can live with.

What was your stance when Ford dropped the minimum wage if you're concerned about people in living in poverty? EDIT- sorry, meant this for a response to post 242.

 

[Mad Mike]

You'll find i speak openly about not having to like the leader to vote for the party.

As for votes mattering, you need to remember the context in which i said it. For example; Good luck if you vote con or liberal in the danforth or trinity-spadina. They are NDP strongholds and likely will be forever. How about the Bloc in Alberta how much are the votes worth there?

Greens:

I'll be selfish and just admit i don't care much about the environment, the main reason being that i don't believe we'll make a big enough footprint to matter without the U.S. moving in lock step.

They believe in increasing foreign aid when our own people are suffering. Something like 1 in 7 people in Toronto lives in poverty, sorry i don't really give a damn about improving the life of someone on another continent with that hanging over our heads.

Clearly they are fiscally irresponsible, again not something i can live with.

Greens can promise whatever they like -- there is zero chance they will get a chance to execute. Even if their leader was appealing and charismatic, elected party has to have the expertise to run the show - for Green's... "where's the beef?" (or maybe "where's the Beyond Meat™?)

 

[boyoboy]

You'll find i speak openly about not having to like the leader to vote for the party.

As for votes mattering, you need to remember the context in which i said it. For example; Good luck if you vote con or liberal in the danforth or trinity-spadina. They are NDP strongholds and likely will be forever. How about the Bloc in Alberta how much are the votes worth there?

Greens:

I'll be selfish and just admit i don't care much about the environment, the main reason being that i don't believe we'll make a big enough footprint to matter without the U.S. moving in lock step.

They believe in increasing foreign aid when our own people are suffering. Something like 1 in 7 people in Toronto lives in poverty, sorry i don't really give a damn about improving the life of someone on another continent with that hanging over our heads.

Clearly they are fiscally irresponsible, again not something i can live with.

So every vote counts. Correct? The context in which you said it wasn't clear. It came across as don't bother voting. I've voted green in the last two elections knowing they would not win in my riding. I never felt my vote was wasted. and their support is growing. Calling them fiscally irresponsible is speculative given they have never been in power. I cannot see them doing any better then a con or liberal. But thats speculative.
The cons and libs both need to be sent down the road kicking stones.

 

[boyoboy]

Greens can promise whatever they like -- there is zero chance they will get a chance to execute. Even if their leader was appealing and charismatic, elected party has to have the expertise to run the show - for Green's... "where's the beef?" (or maybe "where's the Beyond Meat™?)

people said this to me ~ 10 years ago. They are growing. Wheres the beef? This is getting too intellectaul for me.
Younger and older people around the entire world are getting it.

 

[Evoex]

What was your stance when Ford dropped the minimum wage if you're concerned about people in living in poverty? EDIT- sorry, meant this for a response to post 242.

Theoretically he didn't, he just scrapped the plan to increase it.

Perhaps a better question would be, what was my stance on the Liberals raising it?

Kind of catch 22 here. Wage increase in reality can increase the price on almost everything we pay for day 2 day. Example; I work in automotive mfg, when the wage increase came down i had every single supplier in Ontario coming in for price increases to me on the products we buy from them. As they now had to pay their employees more salary and benefits they passed on that cost to us. We in turn passed that onto the OEMS (or tried to lol). Simple cause and effect relationship.

On the other hand, when you look at how the prices for goods we pay for are increasing at a rate higher then salary increases...I suppose the better solution is job creation, lowered costs/opportunity for training, education and affordable housing. I would say this should be all possible without directly increasing wages. Although in turn i'm sure i'm missing something here which no doubt someone will chide me on (go for it!).

Short answer: since the stance the Liberals took was to raise min. wage to help the low income families, no i didn't agree with it. Firstly because i consider it a political stunt to garner votes. Secondly because i don't believe it was able to net the results they fed to people.

 

[jc100]

Happy thanksgiving. I’m just going to get drunk now and forget about things for a bit. It’s thoroughly depressing.

 

[boyoboy]

and your stance? was to give the poorest working people the raise? rather then cancel it? careful ..
oh wait, you were of the mind that these folks you care about don't get a decent living wage of 15$/hour.

sounds two faced. um got another rambling answer to a simple question?

 

[Evoex]

So every vote counts. Correct? The context in which you said it wasn't clear. It came across as don't bother voting. I've voted green in the last two elections knowing they would not win in my riding. I never felt my vote was wasted. and their support is growing. Calling them fiscally irresponsible is speculative given they have never been in power. I cannot see them doing any better then a con or liberal. But thats speculative.
The cons and libs both need to be sent down the road kicking stones.

I stand corrected as the Greens are actually proposing a balanced budget within 5 years, however it seems there are holes in how we get there.

Green party platform receives failing grade from former budget officer

One doesn't need to be given a chance at the helm for me to consider them responsible or not.

EDIT: perhaps a bad analogy.

Voting - Well that's the real shame here isn't it. You tell me every vote counts, i say it depends on where you live unless the current political landscape/voting system changes entirely. That being said, yes i think you should be voting regardless or you have no business complaining. If you aren't 'trying' to improve the situation (yours/family/country, whatever) then you're literally doing nothing. Now, how much impact is your vote having? I'd say that's debatable because there are simply parts of this country where seats will not change.

 

[Evoex]

and your stance? was to give the poorest working people the raise? rather then cancel it? careful ..

Care to reword it? It's not clear what you're asking, sorry.

 

[boyoboy]

Theoretically he didn't, he just scrapped the plan to increase it.

Perhaps a better question would be, what was my stance on the Liberals raising it?
For YOU YES.
Kind of catch 22 here. Wage increase in reality can increase the price on almost everything we pay for day 2 day. Example; I work in automotive mfg, when the wage increase came down i had every single supplier in Ontario coming in for price increases to me on the products we buy from them. As they now had to pay their employees more salary and benefits they passed on that cost to us. We in turn passed that onto the OEMS (or tried to lol). Simple cause and effect relationship.

On the other hand, when you look at how the prices for goods we pay for are increasing at a rate higher then salary increases...I suppose the better solution is job creation, lowered costs/opportunity for training, education and affordable housing. I would say this should be all possible without directly increasing wages. Although in turn i'm sure i'm missing something here which no doubt someone will chide me on (go for it!).

Short answer: since the stance the Liberals took was to raise min. wage to help the low income families, no i didn't agree with it. Firstly because i consider it a political stunt to garner votes. Secondly because i don't believe it was able to net the results they fed to people.

So you think the answer is to not give the poorest working people the raise to 15$, yet you speak in their defense when talking down the green party?
I also find it strange an educated person would state I don't care about the environment. Im selfish.
Yes the cons are meant for you. True colours...

 

[Evoex]

So you think the answer is to not give the poorest working people the raise to 15$, yet you speak in their defense when talking down the green party?
I also find it strange an educated person would state I don't care about the environment. Im selfish.
Yes the cons are meant for you. True colours...

I believe i listed quite a few things that were better choices then direct wage increase.

Care to elaborate? Im not seeing the connection you're making.

Won't bother responding to the rest, im choosing to be open and clear on my opinions. If you made assumptions or don't agree then that's your problem.

 

[boyoboy]

I stand corrected as the Greens are actually proposing a balanced budget within 5 years, however it seems there are holes in how we get there.

Green party platform receives failing grade from former budget officer

One doesn't need to be given a chance at the helm for me to consider them responsible or not.

EDIT: perhaps a bad analogy.

Voting - Well that's the real shame here isn't it. You tell me every vote counts, i say it depends on where you live unless the current political landscape/voting system changes entirely. That being said, yes i think you should be voting regardless or you have no business complaining. If you aren't 'trying' to improve the situation (yours/family/country, whatever) then you're literally doing nothing. Now, how much impact is your vote having? I'd say that's debatable because there are simply parts of this country where seats will not change.

Again, your vote isn't wasted. It provides funding to the party from our government - win or lose every vote counts. This money is then used to help grow the party. Which is what the greens have been doing slowly and surely.. It doesn't "depend" on winning...every vote counts whether you say so or not.

 

[Evoex]

Again, your vote isn't wasted. It provides funding to the party from our government - win or lose every vote counts. This money is then used to help grow the party. Which is what the greens have been doing slowly and surely.. It doesn't "depend" on winning...every vote counts whether you say so or not.

I get your point, but i don't agree.

 

[boyoboy]

Care to reword it? It's not clear what you're asking, sorry.

;
give it or cancel it? Its a simple question. I didn't ask about excuses to not give it. Ask anyone with a minimum wage job living in poverty; if an extra $40 / week will help. You know the answer.

 

[boyoboy]

sparring lol. here comes evoex's roundhouse punch.
sorry got to go but I will be back. cheers

 

[Evoex]

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give it or cancel it? Its a simple question. I didn't ask about excuses to not give it. Ask anyone with a minimum wage job living in poverty; if an extra $40 / week will help. You know the answer.

Okay, i don't consider it as black and white as you seem to. I'll attempt to be concise.

Will it help? The answer is obviously yes. Is it a root cause solution? I do not believe so and that's why i would not support it.

 

[sburns]

LOL. JT showed up in Mississauga last night with a bullet proof vest for his speech on tougher gun control. Pretending there was a "security threat" to him, he was surrounded by RCMP SWAT team. What a cynical exercise. They must think everyone is stupid. Yeah those evil duck hunters, they're just mass-murderers in waiting. Meanwhile, nothing on tackling street gangs.

You sure that was a bullet proof vest and not some dressup outfit...

 

[bigpoppa]

LOL. JT showed up in Mississauga last night with a bullet proof vest for his speech on tougher gun control. Pretending there was a "security threat" to him, he was surrounded by RCMP SWAT team. What a cynical exercise. They must think everyone is stupid. Yeah those evil duck hunters, they're just mass-murderers in waiting. Meanwhile, nothing on tackling street gangs.

Guessing you havent seen the whackjobs on facebook threatening to kill him on a regular basis with their yellow vests and crazy conspiracy theories.
In extreme cases some have also been arrested.

Also It likely wasnt his idea, based on threat analysis probably suggested by RCMP and other law enforcement professionals.