Canada Post - Huge losses

[backmarkerducati]

We have a mail slot in our front door. We got a note from Canada Post that the slot was 2 inches too low and they were going to stop delivery until we fixed it so we ended up installing a mailbox on the wall (I wasn't going to butcher the 80 year old wood front door to raise the slot). To be fair they have specs, min height, max height and we were out of spec. so totally fair to send us the letter. I assume a new person was working the route and complained.

I do miss having my mail delivered "inside" my house...

 

[nobbie48]

I agree pretty much 100% with what you say. Only problem is the once a week delivery. Does that include parcels and packets? Or just letter mail?

I pick up my Amazon parcels at the local variety store / post office. I assume the store gets a bit of compensation to supplement the candy and pop sales. It wouldn't bother me if there was a small fee that I had to pay to avoid the porch pirate problem.

 

[Mad Mike]

I have no idea which reality you’re living in, but 3-4 hours a day is completely a falsehood. I challenge you to walk 25km in 3-4 hours.
That’s a shorter route. Many routes are over 30km a day if you have to hit most houses.f
FYI, we are allowed 1 hour to sort our routes, go through packets, get delivery cards prepared, stuff everthing into bags for delivery AND cab to our start point of the route.

Perhaps things have changed. Before I got switched to a superbox, I was friends with my local carriers in Markham. The fella that did no route in the village started at 7AM and finished before noon.

The route that served my small business was similar. His drops were done within 3 hours each morning, and he had 3 afternoon pickups - my shop on Heritage Rd in Markham, Dr. Ho's and a local hobby store on Main Street Markham. He parked his truck inside my loading area and slept for a couple of hours a day. When he retired, he joined my staff as a shipper.

$300M is still less than half of what they claim they are losing annually.

That's $300m for each 1M mailboxes converted. They have 17 million to convert, so in theory that's 300m x 17 or somewhere closer to $5 BILLION in potential savings.

 

[raginduck]

17 million is to the total number of addresses in Canada... There's about 4.5 million addresses still getting door delivery.

 

[crankcall]

I think a lot has changed for carriers over the years , my high school buddy that went straight from school to letter carrier was almost never working past noon if he hustled. One PM on a long day , but that was decades ago , everyone was full time and pensioning out early was everyone’s goal.


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[Mad Mike]

17 million is to the total number of addresses in Canada... There's about 4.5 million addresses still getting door delivery.

I stand corrected. 11M with super mailboxes, 4.5m with door to door.

That means CPC potential savings is $4.5M x 300M/year. That's $1.35B, enough to return CPC to profitability AND pay for the Super-mailboxes in 1 year.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I think a lot has changed for carriers over the years , my high school buddy that went straight from school to letter carrier was almost never working past noon if he hustled. One PM on a long day , but that was decades ago , everyone was full time and pensioning out early was everyone’s goal.

Same. One buddy was home by 1 except on Wednesday (flyer day). Another started work his job at Brewer's Retail at 1.

 

[crankcall]

My buddy wasn’t smart enough for a second job like Brewers Retail , he usually went straight to the Milton lower hotel and supported brewers retail from a stool.


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[raginduck]

Canada Post strike: Here’s where workers are still seeking progress - National | Globalnews.ca

Higher wages, better medical benefits and changes to the postal service’s use of temporary workers are at the heart of the union’s demands at the bargaining table.

globalnews.ca

Labour Minister Steven MacKinnon said on Tuesday that there had been “no material progress” to report. Asked if the federal government would consider imposing binding arbitration, he appeared to reject the idea once again.

“That’s not in the cards as I’ve said,” he told reporters.

Asked why, MacKinnon said deals must be achieved through compromise, but added it was necessary for the Crown corporation because it was at an “obvious pivot point” in its history.

“It’s looking for new commercial opportunities and that means the employer and the union must work together on the way forward,” he said.

 

[GreyGhost]

Canada Post strike: Here’s where workers are still seeking progress - National | Globalnews.ca

Higher wages, better medical benefits and changes to the postal service’s use of temporary workers are at the heart of the union’s demands at the bargaining table.

globalnews.ca

Labour Minister Steven MacKinnon said on Tuesday that there had been “no material progress” to report. Asked if the federal government would consider imposing binding arbitration, he appeared to reject the idea once again.

“That’s not in the cards as I’ve said,” he told reporters.

Asked why, MacKinnon said deals must be achieved through compromise, but added it was necessary for the Crown corporation because it was at an “obvious pivot point” in its history.

“It’s looking for new commercial opportunities and that means the employer and the union must work together on the way forward,” he said.

Seems reasonable. Binding arbitration works when they can't agree on compensation. When they have fundamental disagreements with how the job and workforce looks going forward, that's tough and I'm not sure binding arbitration could ever come to a satisfactory resolution.

 

[timtune]

Same. One buddy was home by 1 except on Wednesday (flyer day). Another started work his job at Brewer's Retail at 1.

When ever I slept over at my ex BIL's place (he was a postie) he was gone before I was up but always back home at noon.

 

[raginduck]

IMO...
Relax the mandate
Allow CP some flexibility with pricing.
End the door delivery.. get as many as possible on boxes.
7 day a week delivery.. without the extra costs the unions wants. The union is right to want as many full time positions as possible.. but it has to allow scheduling so that those FT people are spread over the 7 days. A shift premium sure.. but 1.5 to 2 times regular won't work.. and will more than offset any benefit of adding the weekend deliveries.

 

[crankcall]

Guess on looking from the outside in , however what they are doing hasnt worked for the last decade at least , CP seems to sort of realize that , CUPW wants business as ususal , expect more . Somebody needs to give an inch .

Since everything federal seems to use Canada Post , I'd like my PAL card, my ROC-M card and some other documents , which are all "in the mail" , And the half dozen magazines I subscribe to . I'm being inconvenieced , which disruption is part of the CUPW plan , it effect more me is actually less sympathetic .

 

[mimico_polak]

Same. One buddy was home by 1 except on Wednesday (flyer day). Another started work his job at Brewer's Retail at 1.

This was a buddy of mine at the Beer Store when I worked there.

Letter carrier in the morning. Beer store worker in the afternoon.

One of the happiest people I knew in my life (this was 20+ years ago).

I still remember the letter carrier when I worked at Robert Motors Jag.

'Hey man, you look really happy. What's your secret?'
'Easy. I wake up at 5, start my route. Stop the route. Have breakfast with my wife and kid. Take kid to school. Have coffee and then sex with the wife. Finish my route by 12, and then go for a motorcycle ride on every sunny day during the summer. I've got 8 weeks vacation, and I accumulate vacation days WHILE ON VACATION! Life is good.'

Now that was THE happiest person I met in my life.

Some of the happiest people I've met in my life were letter carriers / CP workers...even those from GTAM!

 

[GreyGhost]

This was a buddy of mine at the Beer Store when I worked there.

Letter carrier in the morning. Beer store worker in the afternoon.

One of the happiest people I knew in my life (this was 20+ years ago).

Cheap beer, making way more than the average person and a relatively short and easy path to a defined benefit pension. What's not to like? Other than hours worked per week was probably more than the average person.

 

[mimico_polak]

Cheap beer, making way more than the average person and a relatively short and easy path to a defined benefit pension. What's not to like? Other than hours worked per week was probably more than the average person.

It was never 'work' in the 'hard labour / thought process' type of work. We had a blast.

2am 'inventory' while having beers. Six pack bowling. 'Oh look...case is damaged...guess we gotta drink it now'.

Different times.

 

[timtune]

Different times.

Loved those. First summer job in a factory. Got to drive a forklift long before you needed a cert. Working late, forks up against the wall doing a smokey burnout. Oh yeah.

 

[nobbie48]

Guess on looking from the outside in , however what they are doing hasnt worked for the last decade at least , CP seems to sort of realize that , CUPW wants business as ususal , expect more . Somebody needs to give an inch .

Since everything federal seems to use Canada Post , I'd like my PAL card, my ROC-M card and some other documents , which are all "in the mail" , And the half dozen magazines I subscribe to . I'm being inconvenieced , which disruption is part of the CUPW plan , it effect more me is actually less sympathetic .

A simple first class letter is about $1.00. How much for a courier to deliver the same in Toronto?

We have numerous documents normally sent by CP and not having those can have implications unless there is a moratorium on enforcement.

IE, a driver runs a red or speeds and it's picked up by a camera. Normally the ticket is delivered in a week and the driver knows to correct their skills. If the ticket is held up by weeks or months of strike action, the driver isn't aware of their bad habits. Do multiple convictions build up?

 

[GreyGhost]

Do multiple convictions build up?

Yup. Barrie moves the speed cameras every few months. At each new location they delay sending tickets for about 30 days. Some people get 15+ tickets at the same time. That really supports the "safety" idea of speed cameras. /s

 

[Mad Mike]

Canada Post strike: Here’s where workers are still seeking progress - National | Globalnews.ca

Higher wages, better medical benefits and changes to the postal service’s use of temporary workers are at the heart of the union’s demands at the bargaining table.

globalnews.ca

Labour Minister Steven MacKinnon said on Tuesday that there had been “no material progress” to report. Asked if the federal government would consider imposing binding arbitration, he appeared to reject the idea once again.

“That’s not in the cards as I’ve said,” he told reporters.

Asked why, MacKinnon said deals must be achieved through compromise, but added it was necessary for the Crown corporation because it was at an “obvious pivot point” in its history.

“It’s looking for new commercial opportunities and that means the employer and the union must work together on the way forward,” he said.

Canada Post is at the breaking point -- the workforce productivity is so low it threatens the very existence of the company and the union. With a $1B/annum in losses, I can't see where the union thinks CPC is going to get the funds for all their asks.