money talks and we have no idea what the contracts say. under the circumstances i imagine there are some very explicit due dates and quantities spelled out when it hits mass production.
Canada is ******
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Green Meenie
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As MP stated, it's not that the vaccine development has been rushed, it's all the other bureaucratic bumbling has been removed for this effort and the reasons for that should be very clear. Have not heard one medical expert disagree with this analysis yet.
For those who want to stand at the back of the line to see what happens to others getting the vaccine ..... thank you! I'll gladly step in front of you. What I wonder about most is the triage process and who will handle that. Hopefully not the government! I expect there will suddenly be a rush of people with "pre-existing medical conditions". What will people be required to show to prove their claims? Age is a no brainer but other medical claims?
For those who want to stand at the back of the line to see what happens to others getting the vaccine ..... thank you! I'll gladly step in front of you. What I wonder about most is the triage process and who will handle that. Hopefully not the government! I expect there will suddenly be a rush of people with "pre-existing medical conditions". What will people be required to show to prove their claims? Age is a no brainer but other medical claims?
This, they have not opened there mouths about this part of the vaccine and if they even are going to give the vaccine to pre-existing people
You're very welcome.
Like I said, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'll definitely recommend to my parents who are in their 80s to get the vaccine.
But I'm in a low-risk group so I'm happy to let others ahead of me, if they need it. I will also take it when it is my turn so we can achieve the numbers needed for herd immunity.
Not afraid it will give me autism or anything, but I'm concerned about the effectiveness. I don't want to have to take another vaccine 6 months after because this one did not take.
@PrivatePilot @Evoex Some citations.
New agreements to secure additional vaccine candidates for COVID-19
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced an agreement with AstraZeneca to procure up to 20 million doses of its COVID‑19 vaccine candidate. This agreement adds to those already reached with Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax, Pfizer, and Moderna, which were made...
"In all, Canada has committed $1 billion to buy at least 154 million doses of vaccines from five different companies, and most of that money will not be refunded even if the vaccines never get approved."
Roadghost
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Well it seems pretty popular right now. But yeah, I'm not worried. Then again I never was. The best thing about other countries getting it first is that if it makes them mutate into zombies, we'll avoid the apocalypse. I just know Justin Trudeau thought of that - that's why he wisely put us at the back of the line. He's so smart.
For the record, I believe you’ll find contracts between vaccine companies and pretty much all countries that signed them have the same clauses.
If successful, awesome, give us the shots. If not, well, you couldn’t have even tried without the funding.
ROI on what amounts to research funding with a likely positive outcome is turning out to be very high at this point.
There’s no mention (given admittedly cursory glance) of delivery timeline commitments however, so that’s up in their air and likely open to change at this point.
Green Meenie
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I fully respect your right to choose and to evaluate your own risk factors. The fact that some will get vaccine early on will help those who don't so it's actually a win for all no matter which camp you're in. The key ingredient here is to get the vaccine and get it into Canadian arms asap! I have no doubt that the vaccines in question at the moment will be effective, based on early reports.
I need a reference for that statement. As far as I know it's made up. No one's leaked any early dates for here, except for possibly Ford, but he also said over a million doses, and one station actually had the nerve to put Kathleen Wynne on to criticize him. Elliot said "expect to see four million doses between January and March. Two million for Moderna." That's not a firm date, and it's basically Q2. We'll be updated closer to then that it's delayed, etc. etc. If not, I'll apologize then if you remind me.
Why would I try that? Do I get internet points or something? Are they spendable? We've got pretty much the same dog's breakfast going as the U.S., Both Justin and Doug have made some fumbles, anti maskers and anti shutdown people are protesting, people are losing jobs, billions being wasted . . . We just don't have an Operation Warp Speed.
Edit: btw Nice to see you back. Missed you.
Stay home everyone. As much as you can.
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I was hoping we could be a little faster:
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Edit: US is way down the list at 2.0%.
Full U.S. numbers are 12,883,264; 263,454; 2.0%; 80.53
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Edit: US is way down the list at 2.0%.
Full U.S. numbers are 12,883,264; 263,454; 2.0%; 80.53
POWERMAN
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Is the Government going to make this vaccine mandatory for everyone living within the borders?
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Ask anyone who loses a loved one to COVID in the next nine months.
Once the vaccine is given to everyone who needs it, the case-fatality rate starts falling precipitously after a couple of weeks, hopefully to zero or near zero.
Warp speed would hasten that process.
Edit: @PrivatePilot Still haven't seen your reference for dates yet.
Why Canada can’t make its own COVID-19 vaccine — and how to ‘fix’ the problem before the next pandemic
Canadians might be slightly behind America when a vaccine is distributed. How can we avoid this next time?
www.thestar.com
Can't the Star even be bothered to run a spelling checker on the article, or identify their sources?Why Canada can’t make its own COVID-19 vaccine — and how to ‘fix’ the problem before the next pandemic
Canadians might be slightly behind America when a vaccine is distributed. How can we avoid this next time?
". . . Canada has not even negotiated to right to manufacture doses of them here at home . . ."
"A member of Canada’s Vaccine Task Force — the group tasked with advising the government on locking down doses for Canadians — says . . ."
Does that mean that all members agree with what was said, since it's a generic member? That's kind of like saying "scientists say . . .".
Worst part is that they didn't answer all of the question posed in the headline.
J_F
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if we could vaccinate every Canadian tomorrow
no more new infections
the case fatality rate stays the same, forever
you chose to sort the data that way as it suits your narrative
puts Canada in a poor light that suits your politics
Iceman
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