There was already an incumbent grifter there. Grifter code says you need to find your own marks.
Can we have a civil bicycle thread?
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Dirty Frank
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But even when they started spreading, a lot of concessions were made (and are still being made) in human lives.
Chilling and dark humour when you take into consideration that it's been a century or so of vehicle manslaughter just being accepted as part of life
Anyhow, yes better infrastructure is a must, but in order for it to happen, it must not be equal to political suicide. And that will take a while to happen
Long term planning, to most politicians, is four years and the public will always suffer from collateral damage.
Halifax is trying something as a pilot. We'll see if it works. Reasonably cheap and may reduce cornerning speeds (and people cutting corners). As an added bonus, wipes out the stancy-bois so they stay away from your city. Segments of speed bumps to encourage cars turning left to make a sharp corner. Vehicles travelling straight through can drive between the segments (unless they are ridiculously low). They will pull them in the winter to allow plowing.
Obviously this is more targeted at pedestrian safety than bikes but slowing vehicles down to give them more time to process conflicts in an intersection helps everyone. Also good to see something being tried instead of just bitching and no action.
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I'm all for it but it may be a hardship to the 80% of the drivers out there that appear to have arthritis and can't turn the wheel the extra few degrees. I've come close to collisions with drivers taking the short cut across the stopped lane.
I was also thinking about the vertical plastic posts and their effect on lane discipline on, for example, Snake Road. The problem would be truck traffic.
I was also thinking about the vertical plastic posts and their effect on lane discipline on, for example, Snake Road. The problem would be truck traffic.
If you can't navigate a road without crossing the centre line, you shouldn't be on that road. Those flappy plastic things are great. Visual (and auditory deterrent) to make people naturally slow down but not brutal if they screw up.
I would have expected this, since there are four ways to turn left:Halifax is trying something as a pilot. We'll see if it works. Reasonably cheap and may reduce cornerning speeds (and people cutting corners). As an added bonus, wipes out the stancy-bois so they stay away from your city. Segments of speed bumps to encourage cars turning left to make a sharp corner. Vehicles travelling straight through can drive between the segments (unless they are ridiculously low). They will pull them in the winter to allow plowing.
Obviously this is more targeted at pedestrian safety than bikes but slowing vehicles down to give them more time to process conflicts in an intersection helps everyone. Also good to see something being tried instead of just bitching and no action.
They put down some flappers along the right side of a road here. I guess it's to prevent those nasty cars from sneaking up at the stop sign and turning right while someone else is going through. Why build the street like that in the first place then?
Maybe the pilot is one direction only? Or maybe they just simplified the image.I would have expected this, since there are four ways to turn left:
They put down some flappers along the right side of a road here. I guess it's to prevent those nasty cars from sneaking up at the stop sign and turning right while someone else is going through. Why build the street like that in the first place then?
Sneaking past on the right really helps with traffic flow and intersection throughput. Obviously a safety disaster if they have a bike lane there though.
There's a second set further down, similar to this set.
It's going to be weird, because a bicycle could possibly go to the right of the flappers, but not where they start, or to the left, or on the asphalt sidewalk now. It will make things more unpredictable for drivers, which should be the opposite effect of what we want.
This is also in a high school 40 zone, with a speed camera, a traffic light and two stop signs along a street that should be a 60 zone.
The larger high school is a few blocks away in a 60 zone, with a single light. Most kids there j walk.
That one has a bicycle path/sidewalk along one side, as does this one, but you need to cross the busy street to get there. There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason to the area planning. Instead things appear to be built in reaction to the number of complaints.
This seems to be a road, that is being slowly converted to a street.
As expected, cage/cyclist animosity continues to increase. Nothing at all is being done to improve the situation.
www.cp24.com
Cyclist injured after alleged unprovoked road rage incident in High Park
A 46-year-old cyclist who was the victim of an alleged unprovoked road rage incident in High Park says that for the first time in his life he is anxious to be on the streets of Toronto.
www.cp24.com
It may depend on your definition. Based on the description, there is a strong liklihood that bike rolled a stop sign and driver went ape^*(&^. Trying to kill people for HTA infractions deserves the harshest possible punishment. Driver should have called in a traffic complaint to give cops ammunition to continue their campaign. Instead, they should spend a while in jail."Unprovoked" .... uhuh I'm sure
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Hopefully not. If all people have to contribute is trolling, hopefully they will show themselves the door before ruining it for others.
Interesting. As someone who's had multiple concussions, I'd say the cyclist most likely wouldn't remember what actually transpired.
Possible that the cyclist ran a stop sign into the car, and received a concussion. Car driver then yelled at cyclist about running stop signs.
Edit: At this point Toronto needs better cycling infrastructure, but also driving, walking and transit infrastructure.
It would also be best if never the twain shall meet. Why the same Bozos keep getting elected is beyond me. (apologies to my Croatian friends).
Possible that the cyclist ran a stop sign into the car, and received a concussion. Car driver then yelled at cyclist about running stop signs.
Edit: At this point Toronto needs better cycling infrastructure, but also driving, walking and transit infrastructure.
It would also be best if never the twain shall meet. Why the same Bozos keep getting elected is beyond me. (apologies to my Croatian friends).
IMO the cycling infrastructure isn't to bad for transportation but not necessarily recreation. Part of that is due to the streets being unsafe for anything short of a Humvee with a sets of Claymore mines as bumpers.
Driving infrastructure in Toronto is 1960's, early 70's. I used to drive from Dixon Road to Victoria Park in decent time with far fewer lanes. If I had to do it today I'd pack a lunch.
Walking would be OK if the e-everythings and bicycles used the roads that are no longer safe for them.
Transit needs a full headshake. It has to go regional borderless.
I had to go from Etobicoke to near Square One and the wife had the car. Taxi was an option as was renting for the day. It was mid day and I'm a senior. I flagged a Mississauga bus in Etobicoke and the cash fare was ONE DOLLAR.
What if fares were so cheap that the savings meant being able to pay a part of the mortgage. IE $43 instead of $143. Would ridership increase enough to minimize ICE traffic.
| 12 Month Pass | $143.00 | $117.45 |
| Monthly Pass | $156.00 | $128.15 |
| Post-Secondary Monthly Pass | $128.15 | N/A |
| Fair Pass Transit Discount Program | $123.25 | N/A |
It always depends on your level of comfort with traffic. How well you know the routes, etc.
Some there's a big segment of the population that sees cycling as "risky" and "inconvenient" so they won't take that added risk.
Removing these barriers will add more common people to those ranks and help, eventually, alleviate traffic.
For recreational cycling Toronto has a tonne of ravine mixed use trails and most are wide open expect for near popular parks and beaches. Not great for the high speed TdF wannabees but good for most other cyclists. Head up etibicoke creek towards and past the airport, Humber creek except for the large parks..... Separated bike lanes (with the flexible bollards) are also growing and they are pretty good rides but the system has some very wide gaps getting from point a to b that requires some busy roads.
Elevated bike lanes are one of the most dangerous inventions yet. Turning cars don't look at them expecting bikes as they think it is sidewalk. Pedestrians think they are just a sidewalk extension. I have had more close calls on these than busy roads without bike lanes. Just a dumb and dangerous idea.
One contentious issue on some side/residential street bike routes in the GTA is the road with the bike route has a stop sign every block..... Seems like a dumb idea to me (I avoid using these). Want to encourage cycling, don't expect them to stop every 500 feet (which most won't anyways).
Elevated bike lanes are one of the most dangerous inventions yet. Turning cars don't look at them expecting bikes as they think it is sidewalk. Pedestrians think they are just a sidewalk extension. I have had more close calls on these than busy roads without bike lanes. Just a dumb and dangerous idea.
One contentious issue on some side/residential street bike routes in the GTA is the road with the bike route has a stop sign every block..... Seems like a dumb idea to me (I avoid using these). Want to encourage cycling, don't expect them to stop every 500 feet (which most won't anyways).
My problem is that I don't want to be the martyr that gets changes made.
