Can we have a civil bicycle thread?

nobbie48

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The other thread got locked down because it A) Strayed from the original point and B) Became repetitive and demeaning.

Let's forget about the special, perceived needs Lycra crowd.

Circumstances had me being driven from Bloor / 427 to Carlton / Sherbourne this morning via Bloor, Dundas and College early AM and returning mid afternoon mostly via Bloor. Since I wasn't driving I had time to make observations although I didn't count vehicles.

Generally speaking ICE vehicles were a large majority and the non ICE were a mix of bicycle, e-bikes of various classes and e-Push scooters, in that order. I may have seen one Lycra rider.

My wife made an interesting observation that with most of the drive being one-lane there wasn't the lane changing stresses, cutting in etc.

I'm all for licence plates on E powered anything. HOWEVER if that became law it would probably substantially reduce the number of vehicles using the bike lanes, further putting pressure on getting them eliminated. Is that a good thing?

Some people have trouble connecting the dots and in Toronto we have been lucky so far and what does doesn't affect us doesn't matter. I wonder about how the people in the west feel about forest fires and droughts? How about the ones in the south east with floods. Those dependent on the Colorado Creek, Mead Pond? Hurricanes and tornadoes? Similarly with Europe.

In TO we don't seem to have an imminent concern about droughts or floods but we still eat. Where does our food come from and what will it cost us if the weather patterns continue as they are doing? The dots for a Torontonian are just further apart.The consumerism driven buy-to-the-max attitude is still here but my dot doesn't count.

The only solutions seem to involve an Armageddon (Nuclear, social or financial) or the second coming of Christ.

We need some outside-the-box-thinking.
 
I would really like to see more effort put into making towns and cities more foot and bike friendly. Sadly not sure it will ever happen other than just band-aid solutions. I live in a "smallish" town and I would not risk a bicycle on the roads.
 
Like most large cities, the fastest way around downtown core is via mass transit, cabs or bicycle lanes.
Make those as easy as possible and most of the problem would go away.
Why anyone would drive there except at gunpoint escapes me.
Depending on where you're coming from and final downtown destination Google maps, GPS etc tend to favour the car. When you get there you find that the GPS didn't allow for the time to find a parking spot.:(

If someone grew up having their own bedroom, TV set, bathroom etc, the thought of having to rub shoulders with strangers might be unappealing so live in their germ free car. The hardest part is the letting go.

The car has been around for so long most can't envision life without it. It's like the joke about the person being stuck between floors for an hour when the escalator stopped working.

There is a pathetically short distance a person won't walk but instead take the car.

The primary cause for lack of consensus is that there are different factors that affect different situations. For instance, parking design- ers usually call for maximum walking distances between 300 and 600 feet for retail customers, but between 1,200 and 1,500 feet for employee parking.

Walking distance is an important concept in the fields of transportation and public health. A distance of 0.25 miles is often used as an acceptable walking distance in U.S. research studies. (4-5 minutes)
 
There are bad roads and there are bad drivers, sometimes both in the same place.
There are also bad infrastructure, which Toronto has a lot of. The city doesn't know how to plan, and there is no room to move relieve congestion, just move it around.
 
There are also bad infrastructure, which Toronto has a lot of. The city doesn't know how to plan, and there is no room to move relieve congestion, just move it around.
The long term planning was not unlike the long term planning of a lot of people. Sixty years too late it's "I know what I should have become". ICE began to dominate in the 1910 -1920 era. Sixty years later, 1970 or so, bicycles started making a comeback. The land was mostly gone then and, considering the comeback a fad, they wasted another decade or two.
 
The long term planning was not unlike the long term planning of a lot of people. Sixty years too late it's "I know what I should have become". ICE began to dominate in the 1910 -1920 era. Sixty years later, 1970 or so, bicycles started making a comeback. The land was mostly gone then and, considering the comeback a fad, they wasted another decade or two.
I don't think Toronto, or the province know how to long term plan. They keep perpetuating the same design patterns over and over again.
BTW the 70's was 50 years ago, did they learn anything from the previous 60 years, from what I see not much.

Also threads like this probably wouldn't exist if they did
 
I don't think Toronto, or the province know how to long term plan. They keep perpetuating the same design patterns over and over again.
BTW the 70's was 50 years ago, did they learn anything from the previous 60 years, from what I see not much.
In the 70s, there was an ambitious program to computer coordinate all the traffic lights. From what I've seen, that hasn't worked out too well.
 
In the 70s, there was an ambitious program to computer coordinate all the traffic lights. From what I've seen, that hasn't worked out too well.

If the loopties on Hamilton city council can do it, it can’t be that difficult
 
I don't think Toronto, or the province know how to long term plan. They keep perpetuating the same design patterns over and over again.
BTW the 70's was 50 years ago, did they learn anything from the previous 60 years, from what I see not much.

Also threads like this probably wouldn't exist if they did
All they've learned is spin doctoring and bandaid making. Some of the bandaids are pretty but don't work any better than the cheap ones.
 
Like most large cities, the fastest way around downtown core is via mass transit, cabs or bicycle lanes.
Make those as easy as possible and most of the problem would go away.
Why anyone would drive there except at gunpoint escapes me.
On most trips around toronto, it's hard to be slower than ttc. Hell, many trips walking is faster than ttc. By the time you walk from where you are to a stop/station, wait for vehicle, vehicle stops every block or so, walk from terminus stop/station to your destination, far more than 50% of the time was not efficiently moving towards destination. Cabs are almost the same speed as driving yourself (save on parking time and money). Assuming you are in the core, an ebike is probably the fastest mode of transportation for the average person. If distances start climbing, public transit may beat it (or not if you have sufficient battery capacity).
 
If the loopties on Hamilton city council can do it, it can’t be that difficult
I would agree but aren't they undoing that beautiful system in the name of safety? It's little wonder that provincial political failures picked the hammer and vaughan to continue the grift.
 
On most trips around toronto, it's hard to be slower than ttc. Hell, many trips walking is faster than ttc. By the time you walk from where you are to a stop/station, wait for vehicle, vehicle stops every block or so, walk from terminus stop/station to your destination, far more than 50% of the time was not efficiently moving towards destination. Cabs are almost the same speed as driving yourself (save on parking time and money). Assuming you are in the core, an ebike is probably the fastest mode of transportation for the average person. If distances start climbing, public transit may beat it (or not if you have sufficient battery capacity).
Subway to as close as possible, then start walking - I agree. Those Bixi (or whatever they're called now) rental bikes are good too.
 
Subway to as close as possible, then start walking - I agree. Those Bixi (or whatever they're called now) rental bikes are good too.
For fun many years ago we ran a test. Lots of people leaving from one location downtown (bay and dundas) and heading to bloor and jarvis. One bicycle (following traffic laws), one walker, two people on subway. Bicycle/walk distance was just over 2 km. No catastrophic issues on subway (ie station closure). Walker beat subway team by many minutes. It's really sad when over a few km, the best public transit we have is much slower than walking.
 
For fun many years ago we ran a test. Lots of people leaving from one location downtown (bay and dundas) and heading to bloor and jarvis. One bicycle (following traffic laws), one walker, two people on subway. Bicycle/walk distance was just over 2 km. No catastrophic issues on subway (ie station closure). Walker beat subway team by many minutes. It's really sad when over a few km, the best public transit we have is much slower than walking.
 
For fun many years ago we ran a test. Lots of people leaving from one location downtown (bay and dundas) and heading to bloor and jarvis. One bicycle (following traffic laws), one walker, two people on subway. Bicycle/walk distance was just over 2 km. No catastrophic issues on subway (ie station closure). Walker beat subway team by many minutes. It's really sad when over a few km, the best public transit we have is much slower than walking.
Ha thats funny, me and co-worker buddy did a similar test. We worked at King Javris, and we were going to my buds place in Little Italy. I had my car he had his bike. He won.
 

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