More Canadian combat footage 
[video=youtube;E-uN22QSx-E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-uN22QSx-E&feature=relmfu[/video]
[video=youtube;E-uN22QSx-E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-uN22QSx-E&feature=relmfu[/video]
CA/US forces Vs. Afg/Iraq Hajis
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More Canadian combat footage
[video=youtube;E-uN22QSx-E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-uN22QSx-E&feature=relmfu[/video]
I guess no taliban snipers that day.
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Freak
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The factual problems you pointed out do not impair the general thesis, even correcting them does not make my argument any less potent. so why don't you get to the point. I admit I made some statistical errors, fine! Now present your argument as those errors have been removed.
I was defending the issue of taliban Punishing women for adultery. They punish everyone equally, that was the point.
Are Taliban to be blamed for forced marriages? Ever been to Afghanistan? How many women were working before the Taliban? You make it seem like they caused all these problems while not knowing that they existed before the Taliban.
Taliban took over control when there was none, the warlords were raping and pillaging the population. The brought safety and security, stopped the production of poppy even according to the UN, started rebuilding Afghanistan when they were sanctioned. They were also fighting the northern alliance supported by Russia, India and Iran.
Here is a lecture by the Taliban envoy to the US Exposing the media propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3hgBGPSB1w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Here another on Charlie rose where he explains taliban's stance on many issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVODTELDVl8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
OpenGambit
Banned
uh huh. they punish boys for going to school?
Sure I can see that afganistan wasn't paradise before the Taliban showed up. But you are trying to make them sound like something they are not.
They brought stablity? Ya so did Mao., Gadafi and Mubarak.
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Freak
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Extradition and UN permanent members being biggest arms producers is settled. Good!
Watch the Taliban envoy's video for the answer to your question.
OpenGambit
Banned
No I just moved along because I made my point. That I, nor anyone else that matters, don't take arguments seriously from people that can't even bother to get the facts right.
And that wasn't a question. The state of education and womens rights in Afganistan is well documented by international agencies, many of which you cited yourself. I am not going to watch what a Taliban envoy says because there is no reason for me to consider a biased source when there are clearly objective ones. And I have as much confidence in their facts as I have in yours.
We're the ones to blame for that, for wanting to give the Russians a Vietnam of their own. We armed the Taliban, we trained'em, even gave them terrorist training manuals for general distribution, so they could build such a society. Now that it's not convenient for us to have them as friends, it's open season and they went from "freedom fighters" to "terrorists". Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy in our foreign policies, yet again.. Thanks for the help
P.S. When the organization that was selling their opium in Europe and purchasing arms for them started an insurgency in the 1990's, we supported that insurgency with a massive bombing campaign, a lot bigger than the one we participated in, in Libya. We're still maintaining friendly relations with those types even as they sell more opium in the European Union (with a side of illegally harvested organs) and supply the Taliban and other affiliates with more arms
Freak
Well-known member
Again your points do not harm the general thesis, and I making general statements which weren't very far from the truth. Mere statistical errors that do not harm the overall argument are neglible.
awyala
Guest
So did WW1, The American Civil War, Slavery, WW2.....What's your point? Despite your point it still doesn't justify invasion. Unless your moral absolutism supersedes national sovereignty? Well we know your ego does at any rate, when your debate style dismisses others so readily on the basis of the time required by you to understand another point of view.
awyala
Guest
Hmmm, great ploy....ignore arguments of those who spout incorrect facts. Just get on with your self indulgence I suppose. There are people with contrived, false, ignorant, or biased arguments that lead others all the time....ahem WMD. It is a fool who dismisses other's views, especially when they are in force.
No, rather you are not thaaat foolish, you are that insulting. You dismiss others who you feel are beneath you, weaker, morally opposed to you, and you use that line to inflate you ego. You somehow feel you have "come up" from some station in life and society and your veiled arrogance leaks out in almost everything you say. You would make your adopted masters quite proud you company man.
And that's the main thing right there. Russia is now our ally.
P.S. When the organization that was selling their opium in Europe and purchasing arms for them started an insurgency in the 1990's, we supported that insurgency with a massive bombing campaign, a lot bigger than the one we participated in, in Libya. We're still maintaining friendly relations with those types even as they sell more opium in the European Union (with a side of illegally harvested organs) and supply the Taliban and other affiliates with more arms
And that's the oil interest. Since there is no oil.
And the IRA vanished right when the Sinn Féin political party stood up and said we have control off all gunmen and we have disbanded them.....
You know the US wants control of the poppy money and you know the Taliban is using it to pay for the insurgency.
I saw Chechans in Afghanistan. Libyan guerrillas. Iraqi regs and mercs. Haqqani network, ISI.... and they weren't paid with pashminas and fine rugs.
That country is all about the drug flow and anyone fighting for it is not fighting for the interests of the people....
Indigenous or otherwise.
Dresden
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I don't mean this as an attack on you, but...
this is exactly the mentality that makes the USA the most hated country in the world.
You cannot ruin an entire nation with war, and not assist with rebuilding it. The people who are left behind will make it their life mission to retaliate... and ingrain that thought into their children.. and their children.. ad naseum.
And here we are today...
Freak
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CIA is the biggest terrorist organization which assassinates, kidnaps, tortures, blackmails, train terrorists and overthrows legitimate regimes.
johnp
Well-known member
^^ maybe so, but there's a lot to be said for mmmnaked's idea of finding the bad guys and surgically taking them out. As opposed to finding where the bad guys live and bombing flat the whole freakin' country they live in.
The bad news is that war is kinda profitable and surgical strikes not so much, so there are some kinks to iron out.
But the current protocol is akin to bombing flat the Jane Finch corridor whenever there's a shooting in the Eaton Centre.
The bad news is that war is kinda profitable and surgical strikes not so much, so there are some kinks to iron out.
But the current protocol is akin to bombing flat the Jane Finch corridor whenever there's a shooting in the Eaton Centre.
OpenGambit
Banned
that stablity isn't a good thing in and of itself. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
You think that holding anyone to a standard of correctness on facts is unreasonable? I don't. They are facts. You aren't entitled to make them up to support your argument.
Wrong facts change everything, the iraq war was bs not because of an argument, it was bs because of a fact (the existence of WMDs). Facts underly all important debates of our time. Climate change for example. So ya, I care about facts, politicans that are loose with facts are dangerous, and general population that are loose with facts should be ignored. Thats why we have science and reason, not theology and superstition.
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Hence the punitive part. You can't not react when someone causes thousands of deaths in your country or in your closest ally's country. Also, a lot of good we did by trying to maintain a long-term invasion. After we leave, the country won't be any better off than after the Soviets left. I've known countries that took next to zero culture/values/social institutions even after 500 years of foreign invasion. After the invader got kicked out, they went back to their own thing. You ready to sacrifice our troops' lives and your tax dollars for 600/700/800/??? years?
awyala
Guest
All good and well, but the societies which espouse science and reason are the same ones who invade, bomb, conquer with lies, distorted facts and propaganda. I hold nothing against the other side if their facts or views are tainted, bias or skewed, when this side betrays its own values to deliberately distort to achieve an objective. I could care less if the other side bases their reactions on emotion or even theology, when this side bases their initiation on greed and power gains.
Fact mean nothing in war and cultural battles, only victory. Don't peddle the lie that this culture bases its actions on facts. We don't. And don't dimiss the other side of the argument because they have some wrong facts. Both sides are valid in that that is all we have. Either that or both sides are wrong and both sides should end their wars and both sides should be held accountable to Truth and Fact. That's not going to happen.
One side claims universal (cultural) supremecy and is attempting to enforce it on others. One side claims reason and scientific fact. This itself is the lie, regardless if the other side claims theological supremecy.
To ignore one argument is to ignore them all, for they are all tainted with lies. Bow out of the argument. Bow out of the fight. Bow out of the culture that logistically supports either. But you can't. You are part of the war machine. You are part of the argument. You are part of the propaganda culture that propagates wars of domination. You can't ignore the argument, or the lies. You can't ignore the theology because it is as legitimate a motivator as this culture's motivation.....and it is NOT based on fact!
OMG....someone using their brains on this board! All I read is mindless killing and nuking of the Arab states.
This thread is more war propaganda than anything else. Sad state of affairs.
Hopefully the US Dollar crashes so it'll stop the US/Canada/UK starting more wars for oil.
This thread is more war propaganda than anything else. Sad state of affairs.
Hopefully the US Dollar crashes so it'll stop the US/Canada/UK starting more wars for oil.
