Bye bye street bike!!!

[FriendlyFoe]

I've never heard such advice before either. I doubt many people replace the fork oil on inverted forks so often as not everybody would be willing to open them up themselves. Standard forks are much easier though. Also--never heard you don't need good suspension even in novice group. Good suspension makes you faster IMO.

And what credibility does your opinion weigh in with exactly? If you are riding around in novice group you're not riding hard enough to notice short comings in suspension if it's even vaguely setup for you. My comment was about well used fork oil, if you're not pushing the bike hard you wont even notice. Conversely the faster you get the more said short comings become a really big deal, to the point they could cause a crash. The comment about not doing it because it's difficult is asinine, you probably shouldn't bother with greasing head stock bearings because that's difficult too.

What every season?? That seems excessive. It's not a race bike only an armature track bike. I will keep that in mind next season.

All hydraulic oil is hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs water. Brake fluid is the same thing, it deteriorates over time even if you're not using it. If you see the way used oil looks when it comes out of your forks you'd want to change it every year. Again if you're riding around in novice group it might not make a big difference to you, but once the oil breaks down it wont have its original damping characteristics. When you start to get faster to the point where you can feel what the suspension is doing and minor adjustments make a big difference then yes having fresh oil makes a huge difference.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

Some people change fork oil every other race. Also upgraded suspension doesn't necessarily make you faster. It just depends on how it's set up. Stock suspension is designed for someone my weight so there's no point upgrading until I need to really fine tune it. I know someone that runs 1:16s on a stock Gixxer at tmp with no issues.

I wonder if we're both thinking of the same person. Said person was doing 1:16's on someone elses stock gixxer that wasn't even setup for him lol.

 

[cors]

And what credibility does your opinion weigh in with exactly? If you are riding around in novice group you're not riding hard enough to notice short comings in suspension if it's even vaguely setup for you.

Dude, please relax. You're right, I don't have much credibility--I haven't won any races or anything. I guess you have. What I said was what I've been hearing not once or twice from people, who I know (in person) and know their credibility. As for noticing suspension changes---yes, mine is set up, I've been experimenting and been noticing changes. I'm not running 1:16s or even 1:20s, my best was 1:24 at TMP, but I'll improve. But even when at 1:30 I did notice very well changes in suspension when I had springs for my weight and played with the com and reb damping settings. You really don't need to go from thread to thread and call me "stupid", especially if you don't know anything about me other than some cyber space chit-chat threads where everybody dumps everything.

 

[Jayv]

Don't worry about Friendly Foe, he's still in retirement mode haha.

Are you coming out to Grand Bend this year/decade :lmao:

 

[cors]

Don't worry about Friendly Foe, he's still in retirement mode haha.

Are you coming out to Grand Bend this year/decade :lmao:

I'll try SOAR next season, but only if I get down to race pace at TMP by then. It's a crappy track, but closest to home, so I can go more often and sort out technique. Once really good at TMP, I'm guessing I might become fast at Grand Bend as well in a couple of trackdays. No point to race if I'm many seconds off everybody else. Not safe and won't make anybody happy either.

 

[Jayv]

I'll try SOAR next season, but only if I get down to race pace at TMP by then. It's a crappy track, but closest to home, so I can go more often and sort out technique. Once really good at TMP, I'm guessing I might become fast at Grand Bend as well in a couple of trackdays. No point to race if I'm many seconds off everybody else. Not safe and won't make anybody happy either.

You'll instantly go faster.

Take the plunge, you won't regret it.

 

[3fundred]

I wonder if we're both thinking of the same person. Said person was doing 1:16's on someone elses stock gixxer that wasn't even setup for him lol.

We are thinking the same person

 

[FriendlyFoe]

Dude, please relax. You're right, I don't have much credibility--I haven't won any races or anything. I guess you have. What I said was what I've been hearing not once or twice from people.

So you're giving advice based on things you've heard, but don't actually have the skill or knowledge to back up. You make comments about things you don't understand, and sooner or later someones going to get hurt because of the nonsense you spew.As for my retirement, there might be a comeback tour. I found reasons to justify not racing this year, but after a day at tmp I'm reeeally starting to miss it. Might try to make it out for next round!

 

[ZX600]

So you're giving advice based on things you've heard, but don't actually have the skill or knowledge to back up. You make comments about things you don't understand, and sooner or later someones going to get hurt because of the nonsense you spew.As for my retirement, there might be a comeback tour. I found reasons to justify not racing this year, but after a day at tmp I'm reeeally starting to miss it. Might try to make it out for next round!

Dude relax, we get it you don't like him.

You seem very cranky without racing, all that pent up need for speed

 

[FriendlyFoe]

Dude relax, we get it you don't like him.

Funny thing is if its the person I think it is, he's actually a really nice guy. Pretty sure I was pitted beside him on the 22nd. He just gives endless bad advice on this forum, about things he really doesn't understand.This all started about my suggestion that the OP should remember that fork oil does need changing from time to time. You don't need the best equipment to be out there but the stuff you do have should be maintained properly. You can get your forks completly torn down, cleaned and put back together for around 150 bucks. A worthy yearly investment imo, rather then trying to ride around the shortcomings of a front end without proper damping.

 

[cors]

..sooner or later someones going to get hurt because of the nonsense you spew.

You mean the "nonsense" that even people in novice group would benefit from good suspension? Or maybe somebody is gonna get hurt because Corsara thinks it's not so tragic if you don't change the fork oil every season?

 

[cors]

Funny thing is if its the person I think it is, he's actually a really nice guy. Pretty sure I was pitted beside him on the 22nd. He just gives endless bad advice on this forum, about things he really doesn't understand.This all started about my suggestion that the OP should remember that fork oil does need changing from time to time. You don't need the best equipment to be out there but the stuff you do have should be maintained properly. You can get your forks completly torn down, cleaned and put back together for around 150 bucks. A worthy yearly investment imo, rather then trying to ride around the shortcomings of a front end without proper damping.

Give some example of other bad advice I've given, or shut up. I usually ask questions, I don't give advice. Also, I don't think we pit together, the people I pit next to on the 22nd were not ********.

 

[TomC]

reading through threads like these confuses novice trackday riders like myself, but i've been hanging around the forum long enough to know whom to take advice from.

 

[SFer]

If you want to race change it as much as you like(but any racer I know doesn't change it as much as this guy says, not even close)
Track days - it would be a good idea to change it once a year but most don't even do that.

Just go out and enjoy the track days with whatever you have.

 

[Dougy]

The track is a hell of a lot of fun but I'm one of those that will probably never give up street riding to ride solely track.
Track riding has a lot of down side too imho.First off it's expensive'secondly getting up at 5 am to get to tmp(closest track for me)really sucks.down time between sessions.generally it's a whole day commitment so it's tough sometimes to even be able to get to a trackday...
On the street I can ride whenever I please.for me that is usually early in the mornings on weekends or the middle of the night during the week when their is almost no traffic and I can get away with just about anything...i don't know jost some thoughts.if i could only ride durring the day when their is large traffic i'd probably go track only also but that's not the case'anybody else on the same tip ?

 

[caboose56]

As much as I love racing, you don't get these views i got this weekend on a track bike - I will always have a street bike

True, but I can get those views from my car. I could also take my lunch, snacks and drinks, change of clothes and a bathing suit, three friends and my dog.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

Give some example of other bad advice I've given, or shut up. I usually ask questions, I don't give advice. Also, I don't think we pit together, the people I pit next to on the 22nd were not ********.

The problem is you're giving advice on things you don't know anything about. My comment was that a novice pace having fresh oil in the forks is probably far less important, you're not pushing hard enough on entry for it to make a big difference but (and I would have thought it goes without saying) having your equipment in the best possible shape is always a benefit. For an advanced pace yes its definitely important to change it every season, the damping characteristics become very important to the point where small changes in compression and rebound can make a big difference to the way the bike feels.I'm the guy with the red canopy and carb'd kawi that didn't have the belly pan on, pretty sure you were pitted right beside me. Have you seen the twist of the wrist two video? Right at the beginning he makes special mention of the fact that lots of people are willing to give advice, but to be careful who you take advice from. Its great that you want to help other riders, but when you give advice especially based on things you've simply heard from other people you're being that guy.

 

[Mina]

That guy, eh?

[video=youtube;9Jj4ftAuFyg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jj4ftAuFyg[/video]

 

[cors]

The problem is you're giving advice on things you don't know anything about. My comment was that a novice pace having fresh oil in the forks is probably far less important, you're not pushing hard enough on entry for it to make a big difference but (and I would have thought it goes without saying) having your equipment in the best possible shape is always a benefit. For an advanced pace yes its definitely important to change it every season, the damping characteristics become very important to the point where small changes in compression and rebound can make a big difference to the way the bike feels.I'm the guy with the red canopy and carb'd kawi that didn't have the belly pan on, pretty sure you were pitted right beside me. Have you seen the twist of the wrist two video? Right at the beginning he makes special mention of the fact that lots of people are willing to give advice, but to be careful who you take advice from. Its great that you want to help other riders, but when you give advice especially based on things you've simply heard from other people you're being that guy.

I really can't believe it's you. The carbed kawi guy with no belly pan pitting next to me was a very nice guy who gave me useful advice about my forks and explained how I have less suspension travel due to cranking up the preload, also other useful tips. Had pleasant chat too. That guy was nice and friendly. FriendlyFoe on the other hand is bashing me a little bit too much than deserved---read my posts again, I doubt you'll find me giving terrible advice and insisting I'm right. Like I said---I mostly ask, not tell, lol. As for changing the fork oil, of course it degrades---there's no doubt it's even better to change it between every session, right?!

PS.I still can't believe that was you. Guess people always have a different personality on the net (should probably include myself in that group, dunno).

 

[YellowDuck]

PS.I still can't believe that was you. Guess people always have a different personality on the net (should probably include myself in that group, dunno).

Speaking for myself, I'm a dickhead in real life as well as on the web.