buying a house

Well, we did end up picking all the upgrades, I must say I learned a lot. We went way over board from our original plan, but nothing not manageable

A few to list
-9 foot ceilings on second floor (first floor is standard 9)
-Cold cellar
-Door to enter the house from the garage ( you would think those are standard)
-hardwood floor everywhere but the entrance, kitchen and bathrooms - I spoke to a bunch of hardwood floor places And the difference from doing it with the builder and them was a few k, however for warranty reasons we decided to go with the builder.
- 200 watt and not 100
- upgraded tiles
-Taler uppers

and a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember

They are supposed to dig the whole this week and start pouring the foundation. I had some concerns with concrete pouring during the winter and emailed them about it, I got a prompt answer from the site superintendent with the list of things that get done to prevent any issues. So far customer service is awesome, never felt pushed to buy any extra upgrades, she actually talked us out of a few.

We pretty much drive to Brooklin every weekend to look at the lot for no reason, its just a piece of land lol.

How much are they asking for each pot light?
 
ZX, I assume you meant 200 amp, not 200 watt? Talking about your panel? I also go out to where my new house is to be every weekend, but that's because I'm building it myself. I'm almost done with the electrical (hope for inspection next week) and will be going full tilt into the plumbing after that. Next week is reading week here at Queen's so I hope to spend most of the week there.
 
ZX, I assume you meant 200 amp, not 200 watt? Talking about your panel? I also go out to where my new house is to be every weekend, but that's because I'm building it myself. I'm almost done with the electrical (hope for inspection next week) and will be going full tilt into the plumbing after that. Next week is reading week here at Queen's so I hope to spend most of the week there.

I wish I can build my house one day. The houses I see here seems like there are made out of cardboard
 
Yeah, Rocker, I hear you. It's probably going to cost me almost as much to build my house as to have had it built, even with all my free labour. The quality of the materials is better, and I know how it was put together. Plus, I learned a pile of stuff. The financing costs also factor in, as when you have a house built, you pay for most of it after the fact, whereas when building, you have to buy everything before installing it. It also takes a lot longer, so I'm on the hook for the cost of my foundation for 9 months (as an example), while if I had had it built, it may have only been a couple of months from ground-breaking to move-in.
 
Yeah, Rocker, I hear you. It's probably going to cost me almost as much to build my house as to have had it built, even with all my free labour. The quality of the materials is better, and I know how it was put together. Plus, I learned a pile of stuff. The financing costs also factor in, as when you have a house built, you pay for most of it after the fact, whereas when building, you have to buy everything before installing it. It also takes a lot longer, so I'm on the hook for the cost of my foundation for 9 months (as an example), while if I had had it built, it may have only been a couple of months from ground-breaking to move-in.

I was just thinking about that the other day. What if I took a year off work to build my own house? All the money I will make from working will go to the house anyway. Plus there are a few things that I can customize. I highly doubt I can do that in the city though.
 
Yeah, if you factor in your lost wages it would give you a good basis for costing. It probably wouldn't take the full year then however, if you could dedicate yourself to it full-time. Once Spetember hit, I was down to weekends to work on it. If you look at the weather trends for the last couple of months, the temperature has dipped every weekend (or so it seemed) which can really slow things down. Doing it in the city could be another whole issue. I had no problems cutting trees or having equipment working whenever it was convenient. It's a dirt country road in front, so having gravel and dirt left on it by trucks was no issue. In the city that could get you fined. I even left the trench for the hydro wide open for several weeks, and no one said it was a hazard.
If you do think about doing it yourself, the best suggestion I can give you is start planning well in advance. You now need certified drawings and those designers often have a different idea of the space-time continuum. If they didn't incorporate something you asked for, it could take a couple of weeks for them to redraw it. Then there's the permits you need in advance. I planned on starting in May, and spent most of April scrambling to have stuff in place. May was so wet, we couldn't accomplish much, so I was able to use that to get everything in place.
One mistake I made; if you need to put in a septic bed behind your house, have it done before you dig your foundation hole. I didn't and it was a real pain to get equipment in there to do it. They pretty much had to put in another driveway on the other side of the house to get the trucks etc. in.
Man, what a ramble.
 
ZX, I assume you meant 200 amp, not 200 watt? Talking about your panel? I also go out to where my new house is to be every weekend, but that's because I'm building it myself. I'm almost done with the electrical (hope for inspection next week) and will be going full tilt into the plumbing after that. Next week is reading week here at Queen's so I hope to spend most of the week there.
Yea sorry that's what I meant

Wow, congrats men, at least you know it will be properly build
 
lol it was 200 a pop, only got 2 on the outside porch, that's it

Thats 2 too many.

Builders squeeze the crap out of subtrades for lower prices on extras, then have the gall to charge the homeowner more than double what they pay the subtrade for a potlight.

Think about this. The subtrade guy has to drive to the site, supply and install the pot, and deal with things if there is an issue later. Also, has to make second trip to install trim and bulb. Typical cost to builder is $60-$100.

Builder turns around and sells said potlight to unsuspecting consumer, for $200. For doing absolutely NOTHING.

Criminal.


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- 200 watt and not 100

200 amps, not watts. 2 incandescent light bulbs are 200 watts. Just saying... And 200 amps service is nice. You can run dedicated lines to the garage, home theater, wherever you want, and you'll still have tons of extra power. Hydro changed the wires going to my house when I upgraded to 200 amps :)
 
200 amps, not watts. 2 incandescent light bulbs are 200 watts. Just saying... And 200 amps service is nice. You can run dedicated lines to the garage, home theater, wherever you want, and you'll still have tons of extra power. Hydro changed the wires going to my house when I upgraded to 200 amps :)
Yep, brain fart
 
Thats 2 too many.

Builders squeeze the crap out of subtrades for lower prices on extras, then have the gall to charge the homeowner more than double what they pay the subtrade for a potlight.

Think about this. The subtrade guy has to drive to the site, supply and install the pot, and deal with things if there is an issue later. Also, has to make second trip to install trim and bulb. Typical cost to builder is $60-$100.

Builder turns around and sells said potlight to unsuspecting consumer, for $200. For doing absolutely NOTHING.

Criminal.


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Not to mention the quality of work is a **** a lot of the time.

I would easily do potlights for anyone, inside or out for $100 a piece.
 
200 amps, not watts. 2 incandescent light bulbs are 200 watts. Just saying... And 200 amps service is nice. You can run dedicated lines to the garage, home theater, wherever you want, and you'll still have tons of extra power. Hydro changed the wires going to my house when I upgraded to 200 amps :)

Dedicated circuits to all those can be done easily on a 100 amp service.

House sq. footage, type of heating/cool , and major appliances are the only things that come into play when calculating service size.

200 amps is overkill for a lot of homes.
 
lol it was 200 a pop, only got 2 on the outside porch, that's it


Our builder wanted:
- $350 / pot light
- $800 for a single 1" PVC conduit from the basement to the attic... We did two runs ourselves, one for electrical and a second for data --- cost us $70 for the material at homedepot.
- 15K to upgrade to 20" tiles (700 sq ft) installed diagonally on the main floor... We hired a contractor for 7K after we took possession....

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What ****** us off the most - at the decor center they had several selections of granite counter tops with eight different price categories. The one we wanted was black galaxy (category 4 or 5), I dont recall the cost. We then saw the selection for Brampton which only had 3 price categories and of the course the one we wanted was in category two (1/3 of the price they wanted from us).
 
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Its well known that builders make a bunch of cash from upgrades which they charge 200% markup on.

The only upgrades worth doing are structural/framing. Taller ceilings, different staircases, etc etc. Stuff you'd have to spend a fortune doing afterwards.
 
Dedicated circuits to all those can be done easily on a 100 amp service.

House sq. footage, type of heating/cool , and major appliances are the only things that come into play when calculating service size.

200 amps is overkill for a lot of homes.
almost 3400 SQ f
 
Its well known that builders make a bunch of cash from upgrades which they charge 200% markup on.

The only upgrades worth doing are structural/framing. Taller ceilings, different staircases, etc etc. Stuff you'd have to spend a fortune doing afterwards.
You may be right, however things to take into consideration. Lets say you do the hardwood floors with a contractor after the fact, lets say there is a problem under your nicely installed floors, the builder as per the warranty has to rip the floor off to fix the problem under, it is not their responsibility to put the floor back on or replace it, only if they installed the floors. I was told this when went to a hardwood place to ask for prices.
 
What kind of problem would require removal of floors? I can only imagine something structural, and you should be able to isolate that (low spots, creaking/movement, etc) before you go and spend a few grand on new floors. Can you opt for the builder not to install flooring at all?
 
What kind of problem would require removal of floors? I can only imagine something structural, and you should be able to isolate that (low spots, creaking/movement, etc) before you go and spend a few grand on new floors. Can you opt for the builder not to install flooring at all?
I don't believe so, never asked, they have to do the sub floor and they will install the cheap carpet (got 1200 credit :'()
 
Dedicated circuits to all those can be done easily on a 100 amp service.

House sq. footage, type of heating/cool , and major appliances are the only things that come into play when calculating service size.

200 amps is overkill for a lot of homes.

The thing is (in my case) if you're doing it yourself, the difference in parts cost is very low between 100A and 200A service.
 

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