Buyer dissatisfied about deal made through GTAM . .

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I would like to make a few comments regarding this thread.

I knew no difference from "OEM" or "after market" I myself did not read the original online order neglecting to see that it would not fit older RX-7 helmets nor did I see "aftermarket" so in my defense I did not know until the buyer mentioned it.

The reason I sold it was because I did not want to pay for additional shipping costs back to the online vender, furthermore they have refused a return as the 30-day return period has expired as of today.

The buyer by all means is a nice person however I don’t feel I misleaded him in any way. He got exactly what was advertised. It is not damaged in any way and fully functional.

The only reason I created this thread was to see how others would view it and nothing more. It is clear who knows the buyer in this thread as you stat your opinion word for word as the buyer did. For what its worth to the buyer I only knew one of the people that stood in my defence.

I appreciate everyones input.

Thank you.
 
Dohhh said:
but you didnt sell him an original now did you ? lol
its amazing when dishonest people try to justify their actions
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You call me dishonest when I made no false claims. Good for you, you shine like a start in the nights sky.
 
Here's my take on it.

I don't think the seller was being dishonest in any way. The ad was clear, showed pictures etc. For those saying the seller was ignorant. Well the buyer must have been ignorant to the fact as well. As far as I can tell they met up to close the sale. At that point the buyer was free to look at the item before buying. Which leads me to believe the buyer (who ignorantly does not know the value of what he is buying) is feeling buyers remorse and wants to return the item.

Any time I have been in a similar situation as the OP I have taken back whatever the item is simply because I feel I price my stuff pretty well and it usually sells pretty quickly. I personally think the buyer is dumb for buying a $60+ visor and not knowing what he is buying. Since the ad has pictures of whats being sold, and the buyer had the oppurtunity to check out the item in person, and still purchased it I would say the seller was honest enough and should not return the money.

Whenever I buy something I research the **** out of it and am generally very knowledgeable about a given product before I make a purchase, comes with the territory of being the cheap-*** that I am. And it also saves me from embarassing situations like this one.
That's just my 2 cents.
 
Was $40 + express shipping + duty = just over $60 to my door. The ad is not misleading in any way. The buyer mentions they didnt know after market's exist just as I didnt know the differance.

Dohhh said:
hhaahah homie sold a 40 dollar knockoff visor to someone for 60 hahaha

chaos come up with whatever excuse you want, your ad was misleading. you scammed the guy, plain and simple.

to who over the buyer was PM me and ill bring you an original arai visor form the states for 60-65 (depending on the exchange that day)
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If I read the auction to know it was "aftermarket" I would have also seen that it wont fit older model RX-7s in bright RED ;P trust me I made many orders the same day, I did not read it as I should have or else I would have never ordered it. :)

mmmnaked said:
You used an image from that ebay ad in your own for sale posting, and in that ebay ad it says aftermarket shield. I think it's pretty obvious here that you knew you weren't selling a real Arai shield, but then again in your defense you never stated otherwise in your post either.

I'll file this one under "meh"... its only $60, who gives a damn either way. You can be a nice guy and give him his money back, but you're definitely not obligated to do so.
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Just an FYI I dont know any of these people but one, however it is clear who you know being as active on this thread as you have been. =D

Dohhh said:
when you have to play with words like that the jig is up...
you guys can keep on defending your buddy but everyone sees what really went on here
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Cha0s00100 said:
I would like to make a few comments regarding this thread.

I knew no difference from "OEM" or "after market" I myself did not read the original online order neglecting to see that it would not fit older RX-7 helmets nor did I see "aftermarket" so in my defense I did not know until the buyer mentioned it.
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The buyer deserves some portion of fault in this debacle for not being aware of what he was buying. However, you also deserve some portion of it too for being ignorant of what it is you were selling.

If i was in your shoes I would let the buyer return the item for a refund. How you've handled the situation thus far is pretty douchetastic.
 
We were both at fault; me for not knowing what I was selling and the buyer for not knowing what he was buying.
 
Hey guys,

I am the buyer. Let me tell you my side of the story.

I've skimmed through the posts, but haven't had time to read them all. There's a big part of the story missing and if anyone wants to check my thread posts will know that I am very honest and truthful. Hell, I'm even giving stuff away for free.. snowblower, and now my boots.

As you can also see that I just picked up an Arai last week and was eager to get a dark tinted visor. I spoke with Dave and yes, we agreed to meet up this past Friday. I never knew that knock off visors existed, that's the truth. When I looked at it, I glanced it over quickly, I'm new to the visor so I didn't really know what to look for. The vents were there and there were no scratches. Great! Dave and I got talking about bikes for about 10-15 minutes, and he seemed like a really nice guy.

Now, soon as I get home, I start inspecting it closer. The cut outs for the vents are huge, there's no seal in the visor like my original that came with the helmet. The lock tab at the bottom was extremely flimsy. Upon review and comparison.. I noticed the cut out for that was huge too. Then I looked around for a marking and my original has an embedded Arai SAI Shield text and the knock off doesn't. Dave is trying to cover his tracks by saying he didn't know it was a knock off. He knew, when I mentioned it to him he said he didn't state that in the ad but I should have known (magically I suppose?)

This is the part that Dave excluded, which is why I'm upset. I called him back immediately, this is about 40 min from the sale (time it took me to get home) and I told Dave that I just realized this is a knock off and that had I known, I wouldn't have purchased it because I just spent $700 on a helmet and I wouldn't cheap out on the visor. He's like that's cool and he said right away that he would refund it and give me the $60 back. I immediately thought what a great guy, here I was thinking I'm out $60 but dammit, there are nice people in the world.

However, before I called Dave, I also sent him a message on GTAM about the situation and I admit, it was a little stern as I felt ripped off. But since we talked on the phone, I figured no harm done. I called Dave back and asked him if I could come by right now but he said he was on his way out for a ride and that we'd just meet up on Monday. No worries, weekend flew by and I come check my private messages and I got one from Dave explaining that he cannot return the visor to the vendor anymore and that I had time to inspect it when I bought it and that I should sell it on my own and no longer will be getting a refund.

I called Dave and I was ****** cause how do you go from saying you'd refund it and then not refund it? That's tight no matter how straight up of a guy you are. I wasn't name calling or threatening him. I was looking for an honest reason as to why the change of mind. I believe the vendor excuse is a lie because why not return it rather than putting it up for sale and take a loss? Nice try. At the end, I asked Dave if money was tight and if that's the REAL reason and the $60 will help him out then fine, I'll leave you alone. Keep the $60 and I said I would write a review on GTAM. Didn't expect to wake up to this lol! A couple of you mentioned Karma is a ***** and told Dave the same thing. I may never know how he might get screwed over but it will happen and when it happens, I hope Dave remembers this.

I'm still quite upset at this, but I've learned my lesson and I never actually was going to post anything. I slept it off, gonna go for a ride and wrench on my bike! Anyone want a KNOCK OFF Arai Dark Tinted visor for $40? lol
 
Cha0s00100 said:
I would like to make a few comments regarding this thread.

I knew no difference from "OEM" or "after market" I myself did not read the original online order neglecting to see that it would not fit older RX-7 helmets nor did I see "aftermarket" so in my defense I did not know until the buyer mentioned it.

The reason I sold it was because I did not want to pay for additional shipping costs back to the online vender, furthermore they have refused a return as the 30-day return period has expired as of today.

The buyer by all means is a nice person however I don’t feel I misleaded him in any way. He got exactly what was advertised. It is not damaged in any way and fully functional.

The only reason I created this thread was to see how others would view it and nothing more. It is clear who knows the buyer in this thread as you stat your opinion word for word as the buyer did. For what its worth to the buyer I only knew one of the people that stood in my defence.

I appreciate everyones input.

Thank you.
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Don't write it off so quickly as some of us knowing the person you sold it to. Before he posted in this thread, I had no idea who you were talking about. The concept could be so universal, that the words used to explain it are quite common.
 
What JD said is right on the money except for the parts about the whole after market stuff. I truly didnt know, like I said if it worked with my helmet I would still use it. If I read the auction I would have clearly seen that it would not have fit with my helmet and I just would not have ordered it. I still feel were are both at fault for the reasons mentioned above. If you truly feel that I was dishonest ( which I still feel I was not in any way ) I am willing to refund half the price and you can keep she shield. I would never want a fellow rider to feel like they were wronged. Lemmy know JD :)
 
Cha0s00100 said:
It is clear who knows the buyer in this thread as you stat your opinion word for word as the buyer did. For what its worth to the buyer I only knew one of the people that stood in my defence.

I appreciate everyones input.

Thank you.
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Uhm.. I have like 4 friends on here and they don't even post. No one in this thread knew who this was about until I just posted this morning.

No one is backing me up.

You only posted this thread because, Dave, you are a nice guy and you have a guilty conscience. You wanted support to know if your decision you altered was the correct one. No worries man, I told you that if the $60 was more important and will help you out more than me, keep it. I stand by that.
 
Cha0s00100 said:
What JD said is right on the money except for the parts about the whole after market stuff. I truly didnt know, like I said if it worked with my helmet I would still use it. If I read the auction I would have clearly seen that it would not have fit with my helmet and I just would not have ordered it. I still feel were are both at fault for the reasons mentioned above. If you truly feel that I was dishonest ( which I still feel I was not in any way ) I am willing to refund half the price and you can keep she shield. I would never want a fellow rider to feel like they were wronged. Lemmy know JD :)
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The dishonest part is not in your ad Dave. It's the part where you said you'd refund it and then went back on it.

Look, I don't want half a refund and keep a knock off.. that just doesn't jive in my world. If you want to man up, then give a full refund. If not, keep the $60, keep your guilty conscience, I don't hate you, I'm not bad mouthing you, but what goes around, comes around.
 
I said I would refund because you mentioned that I stated it was an original Arai in the add, which was not the case. I just got a reply from the vender willing to accept the return under the circumstances that there is no plastic scraping on the visor showing that the visor was not inserted through the PODs and remains unused. If this is the case ill take it back and return the item.
 
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