Buyer dissatisfied about deal made through GTAM . .

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I wish I could return stuff I wasnt happy with regardless of what the case may be after having it for a short period. Research! Research! Research!

Buyer Beware, end of thread.
 
Cha0s00100 said:
Did I mention it was an original Arai ? To be honest I didn't even know there was a difference . . . At the same time he had the time to inspect the visor prior to completing the transaction.
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You used an image from that ebay ad in your own for sale posting, and in that ebay ad it says aftermarket shield. I think it's pretty obvious here that you knew you weren't selling a real Arai shield, but then again in your defense you never stated otherwise in your post either.

I'll file this one under "meh"... its only $60, who gives a damn either way. You can be a nice guy and give him his money back, but you're definitely not obligated to do so.
 
S500K said:
I wish I could return stuff I wasnt happy with regardless of what the case may be after having it for a short period. Research! Research! Research!

Buyer Beware, end of thread.
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Your wish has been a possibility for years now. Most places will refund you cash within 30 days assuming you have a receipt pretty much for any reason. No receipt and they'll give you store credit.
 
RetroGrouch said:
An honest seller will disclose his item may not be what the buyer expects. Not mentioning the item is not an original manufacturer item isn't honest.
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********. he said "for" and "fits". at no point did the seller make a false claim. and it's likely that the buyer would have been quite happy except that someone told him "real ones are stamped with a maker name" or whatever the difference is. he was trying to save a few quid, and got exactly what he paid for.
 
Sundie said:
********. he said "for" and "fits". at no point did the seller make a false claim. and it's likely that the buyer would have been quite happy except that someone told him "real ones are stamped with a maker name" or whatever the difference is. he was trying to save a few quid, and got exactly what he paid for.
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when you have to play with words like that the jig is up...
you guys can keep on defending your buddy but everyone sees what really went on here
 
I'm really glad that all the items I've purchased from GTAM members were not misrepresented and to my satisfaction. I hope to keep it this way.
 
RetroGrouch said:
I'm really glad that all the items I've purchased from GTAM members were not misrepresented and to my satisfaction. I hope to keep it this way.
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Huh? How was it misrepresented?

All the buyer had to do was ask if the shield is original Arai or aftermarket.
 
I don't personally see the problem here; viewing the ad there's no mention of it being an OEM shield (though also no clear mention of it being aftermarket, granted.) Problem with these shields is that there are so many aftermarket ones out there that look nearly/identical to the OEM ones. I wouldn't know the difference myself unless it were a difference of the shield actually saying Shoei, for example, as opposed to brand-X.

The buyer got a shield for a discounted rate vs buying OEM, on top of that there would've been no tax. $90+tax for an OEM shield, or $60 flat for aftermarket -- misunderstanding or not, the guy still got it for more or less 40% off what the OEM would have cost him. Bite the bullet and deal with it, if the visor looks that close to OEM I'm sure he'll enjoy it just the same.
 
The only onus you had was informing him it wasn't oem, which you know it isn't.
Can't clear your conscience? Give him back some money.
I got nothing back when I bought a scrub that had a rip in it. Totally useless. Did the seller know? Probably. He said the same thing you did when I called him back. "You had the time to inspect it yourself".

What you did here, is a ****** move.
 
Dohhh said:
when you have to play with words like that the jig is up...
you guys can keep on defending your buddy but everyone sees what really went on here
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just two things: 1, there was no playing with words. seller didn't say "oem". he also didn't say "not made by slave labour" or "contains no pesticides" nor did i see a mention of "slimming!". i'm sure you get my point. or are simply going to ignore it. 2, i don't have a clue who the seller or buyer are. but in that vein: there is no cabal. long live the cabal!
 
OP, the buyer may have been a bit niave, but it's hard to believe that you didn't know the item wasn't OEM. Sure, you never lied in your ad and you gave the buyer a chance to inspect it--and hell, it was only $60--but do you think anyone would feel comfortable purchasing a used bike from you, knowing your advertising strategy?

It's not hard to be a nice guy and give the seller a refund. Put it this way: there are members on this forum willing to offer help to fellow members (complete strangers) for free, just for the hell of helping somebody out. You would definitely not be in their league; maybe not even in the same sport!

Anyway OP, you do what you gotta do. The funniest part, actually, is that you felt the need to create this thread, LMAO. Hope you can feel better about yourself...
 
Wats with all the hand holding. Regardless of if the OP was nefarious in selling the visor or not, the buyer should have done his research. Once money changes hands, unless there is apparent fraud, there is no going back. Suck it up and move on with ur life.

P.S. Nothing here would even come close to fraud.
 
Cha0s00100 said:
Read the add and my reply and let me know what you think in this thread. Thanks guys.
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Your reply in the for sale ad:

Cha0s00100 said:
Hey guys I need some input regarding this sale. Fellow GTAM member got this item after we set a time and place to complete the transaction. Reason I was selling it it mentioned in the add itself. The member contacts me that its not an original Arai visor ( which I made no mention of in the add or even knew the difference ). He is now dissatisfied and wants a refund. I advised he had time to inspect the item when we completed the transaction and the deal is done. He calls me threatening to discredit who I am because of this. The people who know me, know that I am fair. I would like the GTAM community to let me know if I am being unreasonable by not offering a refund. Let me know guys thanks.
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If you didn't know the difference between OEM and aftermarket how can you honestly say that you knew what you were selling? I am forced to believe that you're either ignorant on this matter or you intentionally left out that particular detail.

If you truly are honest, as you claim, then that leaves ignorance as the only plausible explanation.

There's two possible explanations that i see.

1) You knew it was an aftermarket shield and intentionally left out that information. If this is true then that makes you dishonest and a liar.
2) You didn't know it was an aftermarket shield but now are refusing to own up to the consequences of not knowing what it is you're selling. If this is true then that makes you ignorant and dishonest.

Which is it?

 
Karma is a *****. You knew it wasn't OEM and didn't state it. Guilty by omission. Big ****ing deal it's 60 bucks, but states your character.

Deceptive I'd say.
 
Buyers Fault...

he should have asked...

it's like getting pulled over by the cops...

you don't tell them all the wrong things you've done... just answer to what he asks, nothing more...

guy had the time to check it out before handing over the $$, lesson learned hopefully
 
who cares... its a used product... you buy crap when you buy used.... but then again, one mans garbage is another mans treasures (in this case its sour grapes...hahaha). to the seller, I will never buy anything off you, so rest assured, I'll still be your friend
 
RetroGrouch said:
An honest seller will disclose his item may not be what the buyer expects. Not mentioning the item is not an original manufacturer item isn't honest. I don't believe you not mentioning the visor is a knockoff was just an oversight. I believe you didn't mention it hoping it would increase your chances of selling the visor. Now it's backfired and you want our support but you're not getting any.
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Tough to disclose it is not Arai when you simply cut and paste an ebay ad, including the pic of the shield on the helmet, and he even includes the line about watch the video from the ebay ad as well, but fails to cut and paste the video as well. He also did not cut and paste the price from ebay.
I was all for the seller till the ebay link showed up. OP should have come clean on that part when he asked us to take a side.
 
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