why is it rude to wear a hat indoors?
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Blackberry manners
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The people that I find are the worst for this are young people, under 25, that are usually unemployed.
Er, I think that's just something that people say these days, and isn't exactly meant to be taken literally. Besides, by your reasoning, why even thank them in the first place if it's their job?
"No problem" *is* meant to be polite. The same as "no worries" when used in the same context.
lol, It depends on where u go. If u are at a local gas station, don't expect too much in terms of manners. Sometimes I don't even get a "no problem". If I'm at the Ritz hotel, I expect them to address me as "Sir" regardless of my age. I wouldn't really mind as long as they address/acknowledge me. I go to the grocery store sometimes and say HI and those kids look at me like if I have an extra head.
So in short, I won't say you're wrong, but just don't expect too much if you're in Toronto. I'm starting to have the feeling that you're not living in the city
At my dinner party the other day one of the guests began eating their steak with their salad fork. The audacity! Obviously the entire evening was a total loss. I burned their monogrammed napkin as I'll never be inviting them over again.
Hahahaha!
I'll probably do that. Once my ex took me to a restaurant and there were 2 forks 2 spoons and a whole other utensil. Hey, I;m asian, all I need is chopstix and a soup spoon
CruiserGoneSport
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Yet another benefit of taking long rides, I can't hear it ring and I can't look at it.
Kudos! I've actually been chewed out by one exec for taking 20min to answer an inane, non time sensitive question, it was nice to be able to tell him I was commuting on my bike and it's too dangerous to answer.
killerkeith
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It's people like you who hate kids but make it illegal to beat them in order to keep them in line. How can you threaten a punk kid if they know a beat down isn't coming? Thanks for that. We return the favor by taking them everywhere to annoy people like you.
Customer " You looked through a lot of catalogues to find the right part."
Clerk "No problem."
Customer "Here's the money"
Clerk "Thank you"
However English is a changing language and some flex is OK.
Hat rules were pretty straight until JFK re-wrote the rule book on hats. It's a crap shoot depending on the significance of head gear.
CanadianBiker
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Like most social conventions, it's rooted in the past. Wearing a hat indoors is considered disrespectful because hats were worn outdoors to protect one's head when working from dust and soot and it was seen as a sign that you thought your hosts' house was dirty. It was also seen as a sign that you were in a hurry to leave so you wouldn't even remove your hat.
Literal or not, it's sloppy and lazy and in no way is a suitable replacement for thank you. And in my little example, I say thank you to the clerk for handing me my change, same as I would to a server bringing setting down my order.
Manners cost nothing and can as easily be exercised by paupers as by princes. It shouldn't depend on locale or money spent.
No, I don't live in Toronto but I work there every day. And I grew up in a major city (Montreal). Why, does Toronto get a special pass on social behaviour? Because I can assure you there are just as many rude, ignorant people elsewhere.
Why in name of God was the salad fork at the table when the beef course arrived?!?! If salad was the first course, it should have been removed with the salad plate. If salad was a later course (a modern frippery, in my opinion), then the fork should be placed just prior to the salad's arrival. Chilled, of course.You need to have a serious word with your staff.
Different context. In this case, no problem is not replacing thank you.
Was this in Brampton? It sounds like what my wife would say, while I nodded in agreement. Don't put up with crap and follow through... Seems so hard for parents nowadays.
I can see what you're getting at...but I think language is just changing and you're a bit traditional (from your posts). I say "you're welcome" when people thank me, but when they say "thank you so much", I say "no problem"...because they seem overly-grateful for me just doing my job; and it really isn't a problem for me.
But at my goodlife, I greet the receptionist every time and only get an acknowledgement a quarter of the time. When I leave, I say good night and they usually just ignore that. Meh.
As for my phone...I've had my phone go off and the person was surprised that I wasn't answering it...and I told them because the people I'm actually with get precedence. I only ever answer if it's a call that I'm expecting (and I excuse myself) or it's a family member. But when I'm talking to my good friends, I multitask and they're completely used to it - I'm looking and talking to them while typing (this is why I'll never get a touch screen.)
And as for not wearing a hat...that's stupid. It's not like people actually wear their hat to say "your house is fill of dirt and soot, I'm wearing a hat". Things change & some traditions need to go. Or they at least need to have some better reasoning behind them.
Not to nitpick, but it's not used as a replacement for "thank you", but rather as a common replacement for "you're welcome". I hear it pretty often these days (I may be guilty of it myself sometimes). It's not laziness - it's changing trends in everyday lingo. Someone thanks you for doing something, and you reply "no problem" because there was truly no problem in doing said thing for them. I can think of far worse things in terms of bad manners these days (i.e. the original topic of this thread).
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rideitlikeyoustoleit
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If I'm talking to someone and their phone goes off, I usually stop conversation and give them an opportunity to check their phone and/or excuse themselves. If they can multitask without getting lost, I don't mind it. I do it all the time. As knowledge mentioned, I can type on my Blackberry without looking at the keyboard.
With the whole 'no problem' reply I was always taught to say you're welcome because by saying 'no problem', it COULD be a problem but it wasn't for you so therefore it would be rude? If that makes sense. I forget the whole explanation to the reasoning so I just always say you're welcome.
And with regards to Blackberry being out of business, I'm assuming you're on the iPhone bandwagon. To each it's own. But that's a whole different topic.
With the whole 'no problem' reply I was always taught to say you're welcome because by saying 'no problem', it COULD be a problem but it wasn't for you so therefore it would be rude? If that makes sense. I forget the whole explanation to the reasoning so I just always say you're welcome.
And with regards to Blackberry being out of business, I'm assuming you're on the iPhone bandwagon. To each it's own. But that's a whole different topic.
staying on topic YES there is a protocol on Blackberry manners. If you attend a business meeting set your phone to vibrate and stick it in your pocket. if your phone goes off you can excuse yourself and check the phone in the hall if you must. If your sitting across the boardroom table from me and look at your phone, then somebody in your life needs your focus more than me so we are all done now, and i will tell you that and dismiss you.
If its business casual lunch then your phone can sit on the table and help yourself if your with peers, if your with a customer and look at your phone your an idiot.
If your here to hangout at my house and bring a phone because you have a new sitter at your house or your real estate agent may call ok, but if your BFF is texting and you need to respond your not mature enough to hangout here. If we have a dinner party and you need a phone at the table, I'll be second guessing my reason you got invited.
Younger people often don't seem to "get it" , but there are lots of older people that fall into the trap of being owned by thier phones. I see way to many people in my life that are too self important, phone strapped to there hips at somebodies wedding, and we aren't talking On Call surgeons here.
If its business casual lunch then your phone can sit on the table and help yourself if your with peers, if your with a customer and look at your phone your an idiot.
If your here to hangout at my house and bring a phone because you have a new sitter at your house or your real estate agent may call ok, but if your BFF is texting and you need to respond your not mature enough to hangout here. If we have a dinner party and you need a phone at the table, I'll be second guessing my reason you got invited.
Younger people often don't seem to "get it" , but there are lots of older people that fall into the trap of being owned by thier phones. I see way to many people in my life that are too self important, phone strapped to there hips at somebodies wedding, and we aren't talking On Call surgeons here.
I usually say "My pleasure" then start licking my lips while gazing intensely into their eyes.
I was going to reply with the exact same thing, don't take these things verbatim. You're welcome, no worries, no problem are all interchangeable as far as I'm concerned
I just had a mental image of your monkey avatar doing that....
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