Bikers Own The Road - DVP - August 13, 2012 (Fiiltering)

Whats the big deal with the video??

Only the last guy actually lane split. All the rest of the lane changes were not in between cars and looked legal to me(minus the solid line). A little aggressive for sure, but nothing ridiculous. They even used their signals which is more than I can say for a lot of car drivers.
 
Whats the big deal with the video??

Only the last guy actually lane split. All the rest of the lane changes were not in between cars and looked legal to me(minus the solid line). A little aggressive for sure, but nothing ridiculous. They even used their signals which is more than I can say for a lot of car drivers.

Actually each and every one of them could be done under HTA 172, without perverting its definitions of 'racing.'
 
Whats the big deal with the video??

Only the last guy actually lane split. All the rest of the lane changes were not in between cars and looked legal to me(minus the solid line). A little aggressive for sure, but nothing ridiculous. They even used their signals which is more than I can say for a lot of car drivers.

First of all, and most importantly, I gotta give you credit for at least asking the question. Everybody else just seems to want to state their opinion as if it's gospel, and expect everybody else to either accept it or move on. So props to you.

To answer your question, it can simply be boiled down to one thing which is that other road users need to know what you are about to do, before you do it. It's part of sharing the road. In this instance there are several ways they failed to communicate their intentions like not signaling, not shoulder checking, changing lanes rapidly, and riding the lane markings. Add to that the fact that they used the ramps to pass and they didn't leave a safe margin in front of the cars they were passing (we would cry bloody murder if a car did that to a bike).

One objection to the above might be "why does it matter if other users know what I'm about to do in advance?" The easiest way to answer that is with examples. Let's say that the car in front was about to change lanes just as one of the bikes was about to do it. The driver of the car wouldn't expect the bike to change lanes before he did as he'd be looking for the first safe opportunity to merge in front of the car in the next lane. So for the bike to not only squeeze across but also accelerate is inevitably going to end up with both vehicles sharing the same piece of road one of these days.

Another example is that all the drivers have to be acting entirely predictably in order for all the bikers to be able to ride so closely and so agressively between them. "Predictably" means that other road users need to know what they are going to do in advance. So why is it OK for the bikers to be entirely reliant upon the predictability of other road users while being entirely unpredictable themselves? Are we are a superior species more deserving of the road then they are? Of course not, and that's why it comes down to a question of "sharing the road". Be respectful of the need for other road users to know what's happening around them just like we need to know.

The real pisser is that one of the things that reduced the danger for those riders is that bikers have a bad reputation, so drivers can somewhat predict that we will ride like unpredicatble asshats. Now some members of this forum might choose to use that bad reputation as a tool, an opportunity to more safely get away with "owning the road" as the title of the thread so accurately says, but that's not acceptable to me. It's not my road.

Now let me ask anyone who's defending these road users, what on earth makes their riding style OK? Is it simply because they didn't crash???
 
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First of all, and most importantly, I gotta give you credit for at least asking the question. Everybody else just seems to want to state their opinion as if it's gospel, and expect everybody else to either accept it or move on. So props to you.

To answer your question, it can simply be boiled down to one thing which is that other road users need to know what you are about to do, before you do it. It's part of sharing the road. In this instance there are several ways they failed to communicate their intentions like not signaling, not shoulder checking, changing lanes rapidly, and riding the lane markings. Add to that the fact that they used the ramps to pass and they didn't leave a safe margin in front of the cars they were passing (we would cry bloody murder if a car did that to a bike).

One objection to the above might be "why does it matter if other users know what I'm about to do in advance?" The easiest way to answer that is with examples. Let's say that the car in front was about to change lanes just as one of the bikes was about to do it. The driver of the car wouldn't expect the bike to change lanes before he did as he'd be looking for the first safe opportunity to merge in front of the car in the next lane. So for the bike to not only squeeze across but also accelerate is inevitably going to end up with both vehicles sharing the same piece of road one of these days.

Another example is that all the drivers have to be acting entirely predictably in order for all the bikers to be able to ride so closely and so agressively between them. "Predictably" means that other road users need to know what they are going to do in advance. So why is it OK for the bikers to be entirely reliant upon the predictability of other road users while being entirely unpredictable themselves? Are we are a superior species more deserving of the road then they are? Of course not, and that's why it comes down to a question of "sharing the road". Be respectful of the need for other road users to know what's happening around them just like we need to know.

The real pisser is that one of the things that reduced the danger for those riders is that bikers have a bad reputation, so drivers can somewhat predict that we will ride like unpredicatble asshats. Now some members of this forum might choose to use that bad reputation as a tool, an opportunity to more safely get away with "owning the road" as the title of the thread so accurately says, but that's not acceptable to me. It's not my road.

Now let me ask anyone who's defending these road users, what on earth makes their riding style OK? Is it simply because they didn't crash???

very well said!
 
Not here to start an argument.. but I didn't say I did.
Just posting this because sure... there are many lane splitting and filtering out there, but this is much more stupid.
The rider went through the cars on the curve solid line at the beginning of the video. Then having a second rider follow and do the same. I wonder if that can be charged as street racing too. :rolleyes:
They're riding tame compared to how I do...
 
For those that feel there is nothing wrong with this riding style, you are highly disillusioned as to what responsible riding is or are talking pure nonsense. I welcome those to ride in a similar fashion in front of an officer and see how far you get ( you can explain to them why you think this was ok). Motorcyclist do not own the roads and we must show respect to all other road users.

Operating a vehicle is a privilege not a right, don't abuse it.
 
For those that feel there is nothing wrong with this riding style, you are highly disillusioned as to what responsible riding is or are talking pure nonsense. I welcome those to ride in a similar fashion in front of an officer and see how far you get ( you can explain to them why you think this was ok). Motorcyclist do not own the roads and we must show respect to all other road users.

Operating a vehicle is a privilege not a right, don't abuse it.
I think the large gap in mentality comes from the difference between those of us who ride for pleasure, and those whose ride IS their commute.

You're bound to have a disagreement when the purpose of the vehicle isn't even similar.
 
I think the large gap in mentality comes from the difference between those of us who ride for pleasure, and those whose ride IS their commute.

You're bound to have a disagreement when the purpose of the vehicle isn't even similar.


I see where your coming from but the rules and responsibilities of the road do not change based on why you are there. I've been on both ends of the spectrum...commuting or pleasure riding, no excuse. Its not like we're being forced to ride reckless, we choosing to. I just feel there is a time and place for everything...some just have a hard time figuring out when that is.
 
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See all of the Irate pedestrians a.k.a. voters, piling up on the sidewalk waiting to cross?
 
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