Bike lane removal

basmn

basmn

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You gotta be kidding me.(see picture) 1.5 lanes for cycling and 1 narrow lane for cars and trucks. OK so Doug is tearing out bike lanes in strategic places to reduce auto congestion...good on him, bloor st in etobicoke is a mess....NO parking, limited cycling traffic, revenue loss for the poor bastards trying to make a living in shops..not to mention cycling for the most part is limited to fair weather( unless your a die hard) cager traffic happens 12 months of the year. what about us seniors that depend on parking so we can fill our cars with products we buy in those stores, I now have to park 1 km away or more so I can visit these stores. Ever see a 80 yr old on bikes in the winter when its freezing cold and snowing ?.. 🚲...come on least be reasonable here...bike lanes ok...but taking up more then half of the road..come on.
Not to mention total disregard for traffic laws of LOTS of the cycling public.... not every cyclist is like that, but the majority of the ones I have encountered are disrespectful of the law...
Remember the days when we played hockey on the road...when a car approached they sometimes gave a toot of the horn to let us know they were coming ,we waved thankyou for the warning.....do that today to a cyclist and all you get is raised fingers and vulgar remarks.....for what , letting someone know they are being approached buy a vehicle 20 times there size and your warning them for there own safety ...Wow.. OK so I'm probably gona take alot of heat for this post..so be it....just don't come and steal my bicycle.
Food for thought...if LARGE BIKE lanes are going to stay, how a bout sharing them with motorcycles, apparently there is lots of room...hey , it's for MY safety 😀
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that it cost $27mil to install the bikes lanes but it will cost over $40mil to remove them.....

Our government is fantastic.
 
oioioi said:
That ain't happening anytime soon...

See this thread.
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I'm honestly in favour of it increasing rather than have it go stagnant or decrease.

I finished watching this vid from Mr. Trudeau and am a little worried:


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oioioi said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that it cost $27mil to install the bikes lanes but it will cost over $40mil to remove them.....

Our government is fantastic.
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Didn't I read something about the city padding the costs to stick it to Doug? Making the province pay for planning and staffing to put the lanes back to previous design or something.
 
POWERMAN said:
I'm honestly in favour of it increasing rather than have it go stagnant or decrease.

I finished watching this vid from Mr. Trudeau and am a little worried:


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Of the 15K likes, 3/4 of them are probably bots. And the comments are almost unanimously downright vicious.
 
POWERMAN said:
I'm honestly in favour of it increasing rather than have it go stagnant or decrease.

I finished watching this vid from Mr. Trudeau and am a little worried:


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That was really tough to watch. He gaslights us and then talks to us like we are children that do not understand.

This man is a disaster.

There are no bots targeting this video. Every single comment and response to those comments is against Trudeau.
 
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sburns said:
Both those numbers seem outrageous. No wonder the city is broke, people in gov have no clue.
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Part of it is related to the scope of work they draw up. So much BS built into most of them. If you streamlined the rfp and limited scope to what was actually required instead of every item on the cya list and wishlist, prices could be far lower and results would be similar.

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Can't easily find a bike lane rfq.
Toronto did buy $78k worth of military style sweaters for some reason. Toronto Bids Portal
There are not many awarded contracts for <100k. Most are in the millions.
 
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Soulcatcher668 said:
There are no bots targeting this video.
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Look at the stats. The video has 15K likes and 36K dislikes (2-1 for argument's sake) yet almost every comment is attacking Trudy personally. A good chunk of those 15K likes have to be bot farmed. If they were made by pro LIEberal humans, at least some of them would be in the comments virtue signalling and defending their champion's close-the-barn-door initiative (sleeves rolled up = working hard for canadians).
 
Ottawa seems to have an inexhaustible pile of cash for putting in and taking out those posts bolted into the road. Maybe Toronto should ask how they manage it?
 
Baggsy said:
Ottawa seems to have an inexhaustible pile of cash for putting in and taking out those posts bolted into the road. Maybe Toronto should ask how they manage it?
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The Ottawa budget balances itself. I assume NCC spends freely on any whim. Toronto can't siphon off as much easily.
 
oioioi said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read somewhere that it cost $27mil to install the bikes lanes but it will cost over $40mil to remove them.....

Our government is fantastic.
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www.thestar.com

Edward Keenan: Metrolinx wants $150 million to build 2 kilometres of bike path. Who’s taking who for a ride?

The astonishing leap in the price of the much-needed trail doesn’t inspire confidence in the provincial transit agency’s management.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com

If they skip this patch to the network they could pay for the removals and have $110 million dollars left over for better causes. The $150 M patch could be downgraded to a quarter mile surface fix up from Sterling Avenue over to Lansdowne Avenue that has protected bike lanes most of the way to Queen Street.

Per the Star:

The emotions one feels after learning that the cost of extending the West Toronto Railpath by two kilometres is set to be almost $150 million are somewhat complicated.
On the one hand, this city desperately needs more good cycling infrastructure, both to get more people to travel by bike rather than in cars (we have the worst traffic pretty much anywhere), and to make the trips safer for those who do (more cyclists have been killed on the roads this year than in any other recent one).

It's unfortunate the cyclists have been killed but how many of those deaths were because of the wild west cyclists thinking their rights made them bulletproof? Traffic law enforcement in the GTA is a sick joke. Incompetent drivers, self centred cyclists, errant pedestrians, electric anythings going wherever they can squeeze in and suddenly there's a problem. Who would have thought this would become a problem? Not a short sighted politician.

That the F do people think is going to happen when training and enforcement is geared to the lowest common denominators?

The simple minded want to compare the GTA to Europe. We aren't Europe. We are a nation of fat lazy people with a large amount of land to traverse.

We have been brain washed from birth to our present status. NDP thinkers feel that can be changed in a couple of years. It can't. It's taken a century to create the problem and it can't be fixed in a few years. NDP thinking is that when you get a taste of power screw anything you can because the power won't last but you've made a mark on the land, like a dog pissing on a fire hydrant. Someone else has to clean it up.

What we need is a century plan for the city and country.

All those ticky tacky little boxes built all in a row

So what will become of those rows of stapled together vinyl covered ASB homes in a century?

P.S. If we go all out cycle routes and public transit what happens if the TTC goes on strike? They have us over a barrel so pay up.

We need to look at longer and wider plans.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Look at the stats. The video has 15K likes and 36K dislikes (2-1 for argument's sake) yet almost every comment is attacking Trudy personally. A good chunk of those 15K likes have to be bot farmed. If they were made by pro LIEberal humans, at least some of them would be in the comments virtue signalling and defending their champion's close-the-barn-door initiative (sleeves rolled up = working hard for canadians).
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Ahhh... I had it backwards. I though you were referring to the dislikes. LOL
 
So like i mentioned in the other thread, this is not just paint and foldable bollards or cement blocks. And when it's first implemented often times they will time the install to be done when the lifecycle of the street requires resurfacing/repavement so it's already a "scheduled item" in its normal lifecycle/budget with added modifications to the design.
But now you're tearing up perfectly good asphalt and concrete, resurfacing and re-paving outside of the regular cycle. And then obviously you dump that cost of upgrading in the garbage.

Also @nobbie48 even though we're not europe, some of europe was like us in the 70s. Amsterdam was all cars. People and kids were dying and so they put "human lives" over "method of transportation" in their priority list, protested and things started to change. The more we wait to change, the harder it's going to be to change. As you said, we're fat, lazy, inconvenienced by any little effort but we should change that. We're headed straight for wall-e dystopia. Where are the people who will go uphill both ways to and back from school? Nope, just stick the kids in a comfy school bus 2 steps away from their doorstep. But then we can't blame the parents streets aren't necessarily safe enough for them to go by themselves.

And finally, we keep talking about "cyclists disobeying laws" but we are the first ones to call speed cameras a cash grab when all we have to do to avoid them is follow the law and slow down, even if it's only a 100m stretch. They're not even hidden, we're WARNED that they're there. And i mean we also have red light cameras for a reason and let me tell you, it's not cause of bicycles. Yet they make millions off of them because we can't be bothered to respect them?

Something else we have to remember, if a person on a bike is not deemed a threat, your mind basically "erases" them. So you might remember the one breaking the law, as it goes up a threat level in your mind due to unpredictability and you'll retain that. But the person going along their merry way following the law will be forgotten as it's a useless data point for your drive. Just like the thousands of cars going their merry way on your commute will be forgotten, but the one guy that cuts you off you'll be able to tell the brand name and colour of it and what the driver looked like.
 
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