viper84737
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I don't believe it's very professional of judges to have emotional investments in the cases over which they preside.
Banned from driving for life but......
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I don't believe it's very professional of judges to have emotional investments in the cases over which they preside.
I really don't care about the crime rate or the waste of tax payer's dime, I'm more concern about our gene pool. Imagine this guy has 3 children, you know how much stupid ppl there will be in 100yrs??
viper84737
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I really don't care about the crime rate or the waste of tax payer's dime, I'm more concern about our gene pool. Imagine this guy has 3 children, you know how much stupid ppl there will be in 100yrs??
Ever seen the movie Idiocracy?
do you work for the media? "minor conviction" never said anything about minor accidents. The question should be asked why did it take 150 convictions to finally give him a major conviction.
Some people really belong in the middle ages. Would any of you volunteer to be the executioner? Don't answer that, I want to keep whatever remains of my faith in humanity.
Maybe one of our legals can comment but I assume traffic violations and criminal violations are kept in different folders. At some point a bad driver should have a court order to not drive. Then if he drives it becomes a criminal offence. Right or wrong? Would he care?
One of Smith's skanky friends was on the news saying he has a drug problem and needs help not prison. I am sympathetic to people that are trying to overcome problems but at some time the head geniouses are going to have to admit they aren't smart enough to fix stupid. Spend the time and money on those with promise of rehab.
kickstartt
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Yea, all life sentences for those who got charged with enough evidence to prove their guilty r a waste of resource, especially for rapists and serial killers... such as that Barnard guy!
They should send him to the Black Dolphine prison in Russia.
Executing a person in any sufficiently humane legal system costs more than keeping them behind bars for life. If you think the way they do it in Russia or China is the way to go you should live there.
- Capital punishment is not cheaper.
- Death penalty is not a deterrent. It never was.
- You cannot rehabilitate an executed person if he/she is eventually proven innocent.
- There is no way to insure an innocent person will never be convicted.
- Someone has to pull the trigger, flip the switch, etc. That person is a legally sanctioned murderer.
What other arguments for capital punishment are there? Whatever you can come up with, rest assured it's already been thoroughly refuted. Death penalty belongs in middle ages, period.
If you think lifers got it easy just check what a life in a Supermax prison looks like. I would rather let them execute me twice than spend the rest of my life like that.
I don't see how chemical injection or electricution can be more expensive than keeping an animal alive. Maybe I'm just oblivious to that.
You speak of death penalty like if its barbaric and only has a place in developing countries & the dark ages. Surprisingly some states in the US still practice this.
My main beef with these criminals are like Homolka, who continue with their lives while the family members of the victims have to put their loved ones 6 ft under.
As for your question of who would be the executioner? Put the switch in victim's families hands. I'm sure they'll find a way
You just didn't bother to research the pros and cons of capital punishment. Google is your friend.
It is barbaric. The fact that some US states still practice it is not an argument against it's barbaric nature but an argument for declaring those state's penal systems as barbaric.
Speaking of states, the statistics in those that had abolished and re-instated the death penalty pretty much completely refute one of the "strongest" pro arguments - the so called deterrent factor.
If you hate living with a judicial/penal system that allows monsters like Homolka to walk free, imagine how would you feel if you or someone close to you was convicted and executed while innocent. Innocent people get convicted fairly regularly in any system, but they get executed only where there is a death penalty. Remember Romeo Phillion, the fellow that was released after spending 32 years in prison for a murder he did not commit? How would you exonerate/rehabilitate/compensate him if he was executed?
An eye for an eye? The very core of what I consider barbaric. I've never heard of a civilized society that would allow victim's family to act as the executioner. I wonder why's that?
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The main reason I bring up the US talk was, you mention the China/Russia talk. My point is, your discussion on Russia/China is "invalid"
Just to let you know, I am fully aware of innocent ppl who have been convicted. I believe that people who were doing such heinous crimes and were witnessed by many, should face the death penalty. Guys like the Norwegian Kill, should face the firing squad
OpenGambit
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I am down with that. As long as he digs his own hole.
kickstartt
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Ok Vlad, i see your point.
What if i speak on a emotion vs reason term, will your logic be strong enough to over come your emotions if ur family member or close friend fell victim to someone like Paul Bernardo ?
Cuz my point of view is no where near ur generousity towards that kinda ppl.
viper84737
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It costs more to execute due to the legal process, not due to a $1 bullet or a $50 chemical injection.
On the other hand, labor camps PRODUCE value, hmm... something to think about.
On the other hand, labor camps PRODUCE value, hmm... something to think about.
OpenGambit
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Emotions over reason is the main reason that innocent people are convicted. Often through false IDs.
I didn't mention Russia, kickstartt did. You are not following the discussion and you are arguing with points I didn't make.
I believe that no system can or should be trusted not to convict an innocent man. Least of all the system that relies on witnesses more than it does on material evidence.
I doubt a single one of his victims or their families would agree with you. Norway probably has the most advanced and humane penal system in the world - the one that focuses on rehabilitation, not punishment/retaliation. It's very effective too - their recidivism rate is lower than any other country, AFAIK. I can't predict what Anders Behring Breivik's conviction will ultimately be, but I'm glad it won't be capital punishment. It wouldn't help anyone, not even his victim's families.
Wasn't the key suspect in the Jessop murder almost found guilty because the police coersed the witnesses to change some time observations. Let's fix the whole system.
Also when David Milgaard was finally acquited the police had the real killer in custody in a day or two. Coincidence?
Donald Marshall nuf said
How about the crooked coronor that got his jollies by lying in court sending innocent people to prison?
Oh And the Homolka comment, she offed her own sister. Should she give hubby Paul the needle?
viper84737
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Labor Camp
Labor Camp
and
you guessed it, Labor Camp
Solution to the dilemma of having too many people mucking up, and too few things produced at the cost of Chinese manufacturers. Win-win.
In fact, one could use prison labor to dig the subway tunnels the TTC is so ready to overpay for.
Poll: Do you want ultra low-cost subway tunnels and an expansion of transit corridors within the GTA?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
Labor Camp
and
you guessed it, Labor Camp
Solution to the dilemma of having too many people mucking up, and too few things produced at the cost of Chinese manufacturers. Win-win.
In fact, one could use prison labor to dig the subway tunnels the TTC is so ready to overpay for.
Poll: Do you want ultra low-cost subway tunnels and an expansion of transit corridors within the GTA?
[X] Yes
[ ] No
I might kill someone who did to my loved ones something like what Paul Bernardo did. That wouldn't make me less of a murderer and certainly wouldn't justify killing him in my name instead.
I have no generosity for them. I just fundamentally disagree with making someone else a murderer or risking to kill innocent people just to get even.
I bet you my yearly salary that every one of those cases where people were taken off death row due to DNA evidence provoked the same reactions at the time. Where are the fine folks that offered to pull the trigger or stick the needle in those people now?
