It's totally your choice, I never said 2,4D caused cancer I just said I prefer to use compounds that I know won't cause any adverse affects on my pets. I'm not all that fussed about a few weeds though, like I say, mow anything down and it all looks green.
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Anyone into gardening here?
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It's totally your choice, I never said 2,4D caused cancer I just said I prefer to use compounds that I know won't cause any adverse affects on my pets. I'm not all that fussed about a few weeds though, like I say, mow anything down and it all looks green.
Roadghost
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For the most part, I agree with what you're saying but it's not entirely harmless unless properly diluted. While I agree there is no evidence linking 2-4-D to cancer, even though it has been around for 50 years, there is evidence it does other things:
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/24-d-most-dangerous-pesticide-youve-never-heard
Regardless, it is still very far from being a hazard when used properly. As for drinking a glass of it, I believe the CEO of Dupont did just that, undiluted, to prove that it is a harmless chemical. It does NOT cause cancer and the vast body of evidence available prove that. It is also NOT "Agent Orange" the stuff used in Vietnam that contained polychlorinated biphenyls like dioxin. Those lies have been suggestively spread around by the CBC and David Suzuki, among others.
It would be interesting to know if Patrick Brown will lift the ban on 2-4-D.
I thought he declined to drink it. Regardless, I've worked in labs for 20 years, I'm not scared of "chemicals" in the slightest, I just know that when less toxic alternatives are available you should use them.
Always wanted one. I have "normal" orchids. I've seen Vanilla orchids growing and was lucky enough to see one in flower (the flowers only last for a day so it's rare). It was growing like a long vine so pretty different to the ones I have at home.
I would love one too. i didn't realize that that they only lasted such a short time. it wasn't in Canada that u saw it was it?
if you like orchids you should see the ones they have in Japan they are huge compared to the ones we have here
I recall they had a really nice orchid display at the Niagara Botanical Gardens, but can't recall if they had any white ones there.
I went to an orchid reserve in Panama. I've been a few times to the same one. They preserve rare orchids in a nursery there and they have other weird and wonderful pants too. I have a (professional) interest in medicinal plants. No, not those kind of medicinal plants.
I just picked up an Eastern Redbud (Cercis canadensis) today. One of my favourite small trees.
Mine is really small right now, but hopefully I can get it to look like this after a few years
Mine is really small right now, but hopefully I can get it to look like this after a few years
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kwtoxman
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Big @#$ garden in over May long. Something like 22 potato hills alone. I also planted a few cherry trees (5 and 6 ft at planting) and did a professional spring prep job on the raspberry bushes.
The garden also included snow peas and regular peas (6 rows), cucumbers, carrots, three types of onions, regular and cherry tomato plants, chinese greens, bok choi, chinese radish, chinese lettuce, etc. Ever present is a rhubarb plant, dill and I put in another milkweed plant for the monarch butterflies.
The expectations are for much goodness. :blob7:
The garden also included snow peas and regular peas (6 rows), cucumbers, carrots, three types of onions, regular and cherry tomato plants, chinese greens, bok choi, chinese radish, chinese lettuce, etc. Ever present is a rhubarb plant, dill and I put in another milkweed plant for the monarch butterflies.
The expectations are for much goodness. :blob7:
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Yes.
I'm not sure of all the details, but iirc dirt must be pesticide free for 7 years to be deemed organic. I sourced some when I made my vegetable garden. Doesn't make sense to grow your own organic food if the dirt is contaminated imho.
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Damn. Now you made me google dirt!
Seems like soil with dead stuff in it can be called organic. No mention of being pesticide free.
Gov.on.ca : Organic soils, commonly called peat or muck, have developed from plant residues ...
Wiki: Soil organic matter (SOM) is the organic matter component of soil, consisting of plant and animal residues at various stages of decomposition
Dengarden.com: Organic soil contains carbon based material that is living or once-living....The scientific definition of organic soil is "Of, relating to, or derived from living matter."
Non-organic soil media consists of materials that have been manufactured and free of nutrients and contaminants. Perlite, vermiculite, expanded clay aggregate, and rockwool...
Meridian-Webster: soil composed mostly of plant material
Encyclopedia.com: Organic soil Soil with a high content of organic matter and water. The term usually refers to peat. The USDA defines an organic soil as one with a minimum of 20–30 per cent organic matter, ...
Seems like soil with dead stuff in it can be called organic. No mention of being pesticide free.
Gov.on.ca : Organic soils, commonly called peat or muck, have developed from plant residues ...
Wiki: Soil organic matter (SOM) is the organic matter component of soil, consisting of plant and animal residues at various stages of decomposition
Dengarden.com: Organic soil contains carbon based material that is living or once-living....The scientific definition of organic soil is "Of, relating to, or derived from living matter."
Non-organic soil media consists of materials that have been manufactured and free of nutrients and contaminants. Perlite, vermiculite, expanded clay aggregate, and rockwool...
Meridian-Webster: soil composed mostly of plant material
Encyclopedia.com: Organic soil Soil with a high content of organic matter and water. The term usually refers to peat. The USDA defines an organic soil as one with a minimum of 20–30 per cent organic matter, ...
Now I want to go look at the bags at Home Depot. If it is not pesticide free dirt, then wtf is the point of labelling it organic? Besides the obvious that dirt is in fact organic matter (confirmed in post above?)
sent from my Purple LGG4 on the GTAM app
sent from my Purple LGG4 on the GTAM app
I went on and googled "pesticide free soil".
Scientific America: What makes organic farming different, then? It's not the use of pesticides, it's the origin of the pesticides used. Organic pesticides are those that are derived from natural sources and processed lightly if at all before use. This is different than the current pesticides used by conventional agriculture, which are generally synthetic.
Full article is a scary read.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...01-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/#
Scientific America: What makes organic farming different, then? It's not the use of pesticides, it's the origin of the pesticides used. Organic pesticides are those that are derived from natural sources and processed lightly if at all before use. This is different than the current pesticides used by conventional agriculture, which are generally synthetic.
Full article is a scary read.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...01-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/#
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