Substitute teachers get $230 per day for 5 hours or less, no marking, nothing extra and Im sure little gets done. Still less than half what the average teacher gets for a day.
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Anybody tired of the Teacher's Strikes?
- Thread starter Mad Mike
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You literally ended your statement with "and they do it for free". As do teachers.
looks like you’ve determined what your next career move should be.
You try working in a room full of 2 legged petri dishes and see how often you're sick.
Especially now that every 10'th parent is an antivaxx whackjob who is perfectly good with their crotch goblin being patient zero for the rest of the school.
I don't begrudge anyone sick days. The flu can knock you on your ass for 4-15 days easily. The fact that many people don't get enough paid sick days results in people going to work sick because they can't afford not to, which then makes more people (like you and I) sick too.
BTW, a company can't fire you for being sick and taking as many (unpaid) days off as you need for a legitimate sickness...unless they can meet the burden of "Undue Hardship" by your extended absence, which in any company with more than a handful of employees is pretty hard, and virtually impossible in any big company.
Call a spade a spade, since teachers are no longer allowed to bank sick days they have been taking more of them, period.
Funny how most of the time they get sick it just so happens to be on Fridays too.
Canadians in general do. It’s a consequence of not having that long for vacations both public and earned.
Long and short of it, teachers say its all about the kids, Dougies cuts hurt kids.
Dougie says its all about the money, the rest is the spin
If it wasnt about the money the teachers would take money and raises off the table and negoiate on class size, funding cuts, hrs. BUT THEY WONT
because its only about the money
Dougie says its all about the money, the rest is the spin
If it wasnt about the money the teachers would take money and raises off the table and negoiate on class size, funding cuts, hrs. BUT THEY WONT
because its only about the money
Mad Mike
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Road safety has nothing to do with trucker's unions being altruistic toward the public - in fact evidence is contrary in Ontario.
According to the Ontario Trucking Association truck related deaths have plummeted by 30% since de-unionization started 20 years ago -- that's pretty substantial considering there are 60% more trucks on the road. Safety - Ontario Trucking Association
Class size changes = teachers lose their jobs
It is ALL about the money. From both sides. No one is arguing the teachers don't want a raise....where have you seen that?
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Mad Mike
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When teachers could bank sick days they took about 15% more than the Ontario average. Since sick day banking was abolished, teachers have increased use of sick days substantially, in a few years their use of sick days has jumped to 40% above the Ontario average. That's about double what hospital nurses take and exactly the maximum number of days allowed before having to take unpaid days.
Sadly they have started treating sick days as an off-with-pay entitlement rather than a health benefit. Ontario teachers are sick with pay 1 out of 17 days, the Ontario average is 1 out of 27.
They are just putting bullets in the chamber.
Anyone know how much the union has blown on propaga.........er, TV commercials?
The cutbacks to the Heath system are very evident. My wife is in the hospital right now for more assessment and hopefully rehab. There are 3 nurses for 17 patients. I am there helping her wash and get dressed because otherwise it would take till noon. I mentioned the teachers to a nurse. She just laughed. They can't strike. The teachers can. The teachers union owns the government.
There is a loophole in the minimum wage system. The owner isn't guaranteed a minimum wage. He / she can work for $1.00 an hour. A trucker can buy a clapped out rig and work for fuel money taking what he can get. At $0.45 per mile a trucker can make $27.00 an hour rolling down the road at 60 MPH. Stopped in traffic he makes nothing per hour. Often parked waiting to load or unload he makes nothing.
Cabbies get a percentage of the fare regardless of how long they sit.
School bus drivers don't get treated much better. I was under the impression the City of Toronto had a livable wage policy and if this is true why do school bus drivers end up with substandard incomes. It's all contracted out.
I graduated high school in 87. Never experienced a disruption in school other than of my own making.
5 children aged from 21 to 11 (blended family). All have experienced some time off from school due to labour disputes.
Publicly funded education is a poorly managed system. Private systems are labeled evil so, public is what we get. Why it’s expected government to run anything well is always a head scratcher.
Honestly, I find it frustrating. Ontario teachers do have a good job when examining other jobs out there. And I’m sure they deserve better. Better conditions, better income, better benefits etc.
But when comparing what teachers have and the quality of education children receive, It’s ugly. And the teachers blame the government for under funding the system and it’s not their fault. So, the solution is to throw money at the teachers AND everything needed to provide a world class education.
And no one is willing to be taxed to support such an initiative.
Crappy system with decent compensated teachers is what we have and paying them more isn’t going to change things. Just avoids a possible strike.
Cave to their demands, cave to police and fire and other public sector jobs and raise taxes to pay for it all. And then everyone can blame the government for high inflation and no one being able to afford to live when the cost of milk and honey requires $200k annual salaries etc.
Then politicians can jump on the soap box for $50 per hour minimum wage so everyone can have a better standard of living. Or just giving people money as a standard income.
Wealth distribution and the government are in charge of managing it? Yuck!
No wonder it’s become hip to build a log cabin in the woods and live off the grid.
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5 children aged from 21 to 11 (blended family). All have experienced some time off from school due to labour disputes.
Publicly funded education is a poorly managed system. Private systems are labeled evil so, public is what we get. Why it’s expected government to run anything well is always a head scratcher.
Honestly, I find it frustrating. Ontario teachers do have a good job when examining other jobs out there. And I’m sure they deserve better. Better conditions, better income, better benefits etc.
But when comparing what teachers have and the quality of education children receive, It’s ugly. And the teachers blame the government for under funding the system and it’s not their fault. So, the solution is to throw money at the teachers AND everything needed to provide a world class education.
And no one is willing to be taxed to support such an initiative.
Crappy system with decent compensated teachers is what we have and paying them more isn’t going to change things. Just avoids a possible strike.
Cave to their demands, cave to police and fire and other public sector jobs and raise taxes to pay for it all. And then everyone can blame the government for high inflation and no one being able to afford to live when the cost of milk and honey requires $200k annual salaries etc.
Then politicians can jump on the soap box for $50 per hour minimum wage so everyone can have a better standard of living. Or just giving people money as a standard income.
Wealth distribution and the government are in charge of managing it? Yuck!
No wonder it’s become hip to build a log cabin in the woods and live off the grid.
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N234
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I won't give you my opinion on whether teachers "make enough" or not.
Here's some facts most people don't know.
Someone on TV said the average teacher makes $90,000 a year, which is incorrect. the bulk of them are makingaround $60K.
Here's the paygrid:
(Salary Grid for TDSB Elementary Teachers: 2014-2019 - Elementary Teachers of Toronto)
Teachers are categorized by their teachables (like licenses or trades tickets) and take a step every year as a FULL TIME teacher. NOT substitutes, NOT contracts.
Substitute teachers typically only receive the call on that morning and have to travel to schools all across their region. If they decline an opening, the system will look them up less often.
They tend to remain substitute teachers for more than 5 years before receiving long term contracts (covering maternity leaves).
After the contract, the may drop back to substitutes again, or receive another contract, or after two contracts can they become ELIGIBLE for full time, and make a glorious $44-58K.
-Many are teaching for ten years before getting full-time.
-Teachers spend their pocket money on markers, pencils, paper, for their students to use.
-Class sizes are in the 40s.
Here's some facts most people don't know.
Someone on TV said the average teacher makes $90,000 a year, which is incorrect. the bulk of them are makingaround $60K.
Here's the paygrid:
(Salary Grid for TDSB Elementary Teachers: 2014-2019 - Elementary Teachers of Toronto)
Teachers are categorized by their teachables (like licenses or trades tickets) and take a step every year as a FULL TIME teacher. NOT substitutes, NOT contracts.
Substitute teachers typically only receive the call on that morning and have to travel to schools all across their region. If they decline an opening, the system will look them up less often.
They tend to remain substitute teachers for more than 5 years before receiving long term contracts (covering maternity leaves).
After the contract, the may drop back to substitutes again, or receive another contract, or after two contracts can they become ELIGIBLE for full time, and make a glorious $44-58K.
-Many are teaching for ten years before getting full-time.
-Teachers spend their pocket money on markers, pencils, paper, for their students to use.
-Class sizes are in the 40s.
Thank you for posting the grid. I still maintain that it is disingenuous to only consider salary as there is a 10% pension match. That means your actual yearly cashflow (assuming you're not an idiot) is 10% higher. No private sector employer (nor most government branches) match anywhere near 10%.
This is also for a job that works ~40 weeks a year so to calculate a comparable yearly compensation you need match a typical work year of ~49 weeks. That results in another 22.5% bump (49/40) in effective compensation.
If I understand you right, you are marching down by one cell every year plus whatever the negotiated raise is? So for the past five years, assuming teachers continue their professional development and are able to move right a column every ten years or so, they are getting raises of >7% a year. Completely out of touch with inflation, reality or most private sector jobs.
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