By handing them more money do you mean keeping up with inflation, which is what they are asking for? Otherwise it’s a pay cut which is not investing in the system, it’s the opposite in real terms.
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Anybody tired of the Teacher's Strikes?
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By handing them more money do you mean keeping up with inflation, which is what they are asking for? Otherwise it’s a pay cut which is not investing in the system, it’s the opposite in real terms.
I couldn't agree more about the need for the arts. But if I had to chose between teaching my daughter how to drive or how to dance....one of them will save her life, the other is a hobby between jello shots.
Is he “worth” more though? You’re arguing for a meritocracy, I’m arguing the same. A true meritocracy is hard to find regardless of whether it’s in the public or private sector.
You clearly didn't read my previous posts, but, why does an investment have to be a salary increase? If you don't buy scaffolding but pay your masons more, does that mean they'll be able to do their job more effectively?
Unless you’re a ballet dancer that turned a hobby into a career. I have a good friend that’s a violinist in an orchestra in Spain, that’s her job. I admire anyone with passion and skill and if you have motivation too you can turn anything into a career. I used to look down my nose at anyone that didn’t follow science or law, accounting etc but imagine how dull our world would be if that’s all anyone did.
In short, yes. If the CEO makes a mistake that folds the company, a lot of jobs are on the line. If a mason screws up, his job is on the line. Further to that, it's much easier to learn to be a mason than a CEO.
Did you read mine? The salary increase is to keep pace with inflation. Without it it’s actually a decrease.
I have two kids, both were told they HAD to learn how to swim, and they HAD to learn an instrument. I definitely see the value, but, again, one can actually save their lives.
How about an example then. I personally know of a CEO that cocked up a company. He left with a golden parachute and I didn’t see him for a while until he popped up on the board of directors of another young company. Failure wasn’t punished there, it was ignored. Again, finding a true meritocracy across the board in the private sector is just as hard as in the public sector.
And you're assuming the salary isn't already inflated. Canadian teachers are the 4th best paid teachers globally. Their salaries are already quite high. Their working conditions need and increase, not their salaries.
That's a ministry of education problem, not a teacher problem. Even if a teacher agreed with you, they would get chewed out for deviating from the approved program.
I would also add fixing language classes to your list. When I took French, the focus for many years was verb conjugation with very little conversational french taught. wtf. It's easy to test for verb conjugation, but in the real world, if I can get my ideas across but conjugate verbs improperly, I have a much more useful skill than knowing how to properly conjugate verbs but have no words to wrap around them to convey thoughts.
The Canadian education system is very good though compared to a lot of countries. That salary helps keep it that way.
Conjugating verbs in one language helps you do it in another, especially if they are similar. I’d be murdering my Spanish way more if I didn’t know how to conjugate verbs in French for example.
In that case, whoever appointed him to the board didn't do any research about his history. Assuming he was solely to blame for the previous company's failure. Or he got lucky because the new company was desperate.
Not even close. Canada doesn't make the top 20 on any list I've ever looked at. The countries that make the top 10 for education, don't make the top 10 for teacher salaries. There is actually a negative correlation.
No. The way it works is a magic roundabout and it’s not an isolated event. Its like being a member of a club and there’s no meritocracy to it at all.
I understand your argument, I don't agree with it. I am not advocating for the US model of minimum wage teachers. I think the quality of teachers would be essentially unchanged if the scale maxed at ~70K. Take the 22K per teacher saved and roll it into the education system (support, specialized instruction, supplies etc) and I think we will be miles ahead of the current system. Obviously the initial implementation will be a nightmare with many disenfranchised teachers. I think the only practical way is follow the GM model where nobody goes backwards, but anyone below the new cap hits it and anyone above no longer climbs. If you quit because you don't climb to 92 for a 9 month a year job, you clearly weren't in it for the kids so that's another positive in my books.
Well apart from the UK maybe and a bunch of European countries. Finland has lower salaries and good outcomes.
Then in these cases, the CEO's absolutely don't deserve a huge wage. When I said they do, I meant when they're actually worth it.
This is what I'm getting at. Too much is spent on teacher salaries, and not enough on the rest of the education SYSTEM. Teachers are only a part of the system, which has limited resources so if you give to one, you take from another. Teachers would be much better off with lower salaries and an improved rest of the system.
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