Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Priller said:
Oh, wait, no, I forgot the Pontiac Aztek. That was so universally hated that only true nutcases bought them. It's guaranteed to be on every worst and ugliest car list somewhere. '90s and' 00s GM was such an incredible mess that I still can't imagine buying any GM, even though the new ones are apparently built very well...
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I believe that was one of the prizes in S1 of Survivor, 24 years ago? Hideous thing.
 
klr_guy said:
I believe that was one of the prizes in S1 of Survivor, 24 years ago? Hideous thing.
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Wow, I'd forgotten that. First and last 'reality' show I ever watched. I remember it being on the cover of the Toronto Sun when they announced it, and everyone on the job site I was working on talking about it and the $1M grand prize. Weirdly, an Aztek didn't feature in that conversation...
 
PrivatePilot said:
I’m not a Ford guy, but the Lightning is on my “wait 10 years for them to depreciate deep and sniff around at one then” list.
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If they were priced normally I would so grab an F150L

The utility of a truck, without the huge fuel bills.

Hence why I love the Maverick. Utility of a small truck, but not the fuel bill.

Although a minivan would do the same (if not better) than the Mav.
 
mimico_polak said:
If they were priced normally I would so grab an F150L

The utility of a truck, without the huge fuel bills.

Hence why I love the Maverick. Utility of a small truck, but not the fuel bill.

Although a minivan would do the same (if not better) than the Mav.
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A buddy swapped his F150 for a Lightning and is happy. Fuel savings equals the monthly payment so it is almost revenue neutral. He charges with solar so cost to charge is debatable and easily swung around by system decisions or accounting.
 
GreyGhost said:
A buddy swapped his F150 for a Lightning and is happy. Fuel savings equals the monthly payment so it is almost revenue neutral. He charges with solar so cost to charge is debatable and easily swung around by system decisions or accounting.
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Yup. Know people that rod rid of their Infinity boats / large cars and replaced with Teslas. Their $1000/month lease payments are less than the fuel on the previous cars.

It def makes financial sense for some people. I can't write it off easily so...I'm stuck with <35k cars.
 
GreyGhost said:
A buddy swapped his F150 for a Lightning and is happy. Fuel savings equals the monthly payment so it is almost revenue neutral. He charges with solar so cost to charge is debatable and easily swung around by system decisions or accounting.
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This is the math so many miss. Reality is there’s a lot of misinformation and misleading articles out there that still have a lot of people still believing that it costs more to charge an EV vs driving with gas.

There was an article somewhere that came out about a year ago where somebody found probably the most expensive public charger in the world and then left their Tesla plugged in for 6 hours or something ridiculous with a per-minute rate and then blasted a big nonsense article on how it had cost them $100 or something stupid to go a few hundred miles, and that it would’ve cost them less with a pick up truck. Sadly people latch onto stuff like this because it fits their arguments and then it becomes endlessly perpetuated. Try to tell the same people that the reality is three or four dollars worth of electricity at home instead and they don’t want to hear it or will say you are lying.
 
PrivatePilot said:
This is the math so many miss. Reality is there’s a lot of misinformation and misleading articles out there that still have a lot of people still believing that it costs more to charge an EV vs driving with gas.

There was an article somewhere that came out about a year ago where somebody found probably the most expensive public charger in the world and then left their Tesla plugged in for 6 hours or something ridiculous with a per-minute rate and then blasted a big nonsense article on how it had cost them $100 or something stupid to go a few hundred miles, and that it would’ve cost them less with a pick up truck. Sadly people latch onto stuff like this because it fits their arguments and then it becomes endlessly perpetuated. Try to tell the same people that the reality is three or four dollars worth of electricity at home instead and they don’t want to hear it or will say you are lying.
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And that's why I left the solar economics out of it. I can move the numbers to any result I want. If I put the capital cost of panels into fueling my car, that makes as much sense as drilling my own oil well but drives the cost to the moon. To be honest, for most people, the cheapest way to charge is to let the solar feed the grid so your bill is zero and charge the truck if you have extra power (zero incremental cost to charge but you oversized your solar so there is some capital cost involved) or charge the truck with off-peak grid power if you don't have extra solar.
 
PrivatePilot said:
This is the math so many miss. Reality is there’s a lot of misinformation and misleading articles out there that still have a lot of people still believing that it costs more to charge an EV vs driving with gas.

There was an article somewhere that came out about a year ago where somebody found probably the most expensive public charger in the world and then left their Tesla plugged in for 6 hours or something ridiculous with a per-minute rate and then blasted a big nonsense article on how it had cost them $100 or something stupid to go a few hundred miles, and that it would’ve cost them less with a pick up truck. Sadly people latch onto stuff like this because it fits their arguments and then it becomes endlessly perpetuated. Try to tell the same people that the reality is three or four dollars worth of electricity at home instead and they don’t want to hear it or will say you are lying.
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for some people and that's where the hardcore EV wackos don't admit this truth either. The 'fits my narrative' argument swings both ways.
 
Evoex said:
for some people and that's where the hardcore EV wackos don't admit this truth either. The 'fits my narrative' argument swings both ways.
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If you live in a detached house and EV is likely going to be way cheaper if you live in an apartment or condo probably not

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Evoex said:
for some people and that's where the hardcore EV wackos don't admit this truth either. The 'fits my narrative' argument swings both ways.
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If you can charge at home, the economics are clearly in your favor and it's hard to lose. If you rely solely on superchargers, economics are not a reason to go EV (and may be worse than gas in some situations). If you use public level 2, the results are in between.
 
If I was travelling several hundred kilometres a day I would definitely be all over a new long range EV right now, however reality is my daily commute totals 14 km which is completely within the electric range of my Volt, even on the coldest winter days, and my wife’s is about 40km return, so same with her Gen2.

Which is why we’re sitting for probably another year until buying the Ioniq5. We will continue to let somebody else eat that depreciation same as how we did with both Volts.
 
mimico_polak said:
I love it...looking for a car <35k...then 46k....now 66k....

EDIT: If I had no mortgage...100% I'd buy myself a Lightning. It would make for an awesome commuter.
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Less than 10 years ago, we bought a few mid-tier F-150's (3.5 ecoBoost motor, 4x4, XLT, supercrew) for foremen that were decently equipped at a shade over $40k each. Just ran a similar configuration through the Ford website, and they equivalent is now north of $70k. Like houses, vehicles got expensive. Folks are used to carrying big debts now, I guess...
 
GreyGhost said:
At MSRP it looks like 66K out the door with 0% for 60 months. You may be right about beating MSRP as well.
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they paused production, that means they aint moving.

on top of this, ford introduced rebates to spur sales.
  • Ford has implemented price cuts on the F-150 Lightning in recent months, with the 2025 model's base price starting $7215 lower than in 2024.

only a sucker would pay MSRP



 
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