Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

[slowbird]

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Lots of people running Lvl2 charging.

Just a pipe dream for me and my Volt at this time. I'm running Level 1 at home. (and level 1/8A when I sneak power at work)

 

[mimico_polak]

Lots of people running Lvl2 charging.

Just a pipe dream for me and my Volt at this time. I'm running Level 1 at home. (and level 1/8A when I sneak power at work)

Im running a Level 1 at home for the time being. Plug in at 8pm and fully charged by 6am departure time.

im lucky to have a free Level 2 at work.

so far in 3 weeks 800km and zero gas. Will have to use some this weekend unfortunately. Was hoping to hit 1000km gas free.

 

[slowbird]

im lucky to have a free Level 2 at work.

 

[nakkers]

Not really ... it's a stolen VW Golf Mark 1 throwback, clearly. Honda, pls at least try to be inventive, even though very late ... LOL

Thread derail. I had this exact car. With a crank sun roof. Travelled across Canada from Bc to Ontario with my TW200 tucked in the hatch with front wheel removed and slight smell of fuel and oil. Did I mention I smoked cigs at the time?

Rubber feel cable shift, great on gas. And turned to rust dust when I ran a t through one Ontario winter. Straight to the scrap yard! Loved that car. Lol.

Ps. Also had a little 77 Civic that had flintstone foot wells. Red with black interior. Kept together with bubblegum. Motor ran like a top.

Carry on to your regular programming of EV content. Lol.


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[nakkers]

Not really ... it's a stolen VW Golf Mark 1 throwback, clearly. Honda, pls at least try to be inventive, even though very late ... LOL

Thread derail. I had this exact car. With a crank sun roof. Travelled across Canada from Bc to Ontario with my TW200 tucked in the hatch with front wheel removed and slight smell of fuel and oil. Did I mention I smoked cigs at the time?

Rubber feel cable shift, great on gas. And turned to rust dust when I ran it through one Ontario winter. Straight to the scrap yard! Loved that car. Lol.

Ps. Also had a little 77 Civic that had flintstone foot wells. Red with black interior. Kept together with bubblegum. Motor ran like a top.

Carry on to your regular programming of EV content. Lol.


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[SunnY S]

January 1, 2018

Ontario Building Code will require ALL new homes to have standard 200amp service (instead of 100amp which is the usual) and "rough in" piping for Car Chargers.

Wow, they are really pushing EV ready living....

 

[GreyGhost]

January 1, 2018

Ontario Building Code will require ALL new homes to have standard 200amp service (instead of 100amp which is the usual) and "rough in" piping for Car Chargers.

Wow, they are really pushing EV ready living....

My house has a 200 amp service as it was built in the days where all houses had to be electric heat ready (cheap power and all). As electric heat is quite possibly the most expensive way to heat your house now, I think it would be hard to find a normal house where a 100 amp service was inadequate for typical use + EV charging (especially with EV charging off-peak). Maybe wynnbag is prepping for driving gas out of the province as a green initiative to prop up sagging hydro profits.

 

[mimico_polak]

So have had the car for a month now and overall I'm impressed. Not happy about a broken part 2.5 weeks after taking possession and then the dealership giving me a 'f-you' as the salesman said one thing, and now is going around. But my fault for not getting it in writing. Right now we agreed on 50/50 for the component but I'll still talk to them and see how it gets resolved. I'm hoping it does....but not overly optimistic....*****. Ruin the Volt experience for me

Anyway....came upon this today on what has been basically 95% commuting duty on the car. Charging at home with the L1, and at work (39km away) on the L2. Would've gotten better efficiency on the climate but unfortunately that's part of the issue I'm fighting with the dealership for...outside of that...very happy with my boring commuter

 

[fastar1]

So have had the car for a month now and overall I'm impressed. Not happy about a broken part 2.5 weeks after taking possession and then the dealership giving me a 'f-you' as the salesman said one thing, and now is going around. But my fault for not getting it in writing. Right now we agreed on 50/50 for the component but I'll still talk to them and see how it gets resolved. I'm hoping it does....but not overly optimistic....*****. Ruin the Volt experience for me

Anyway....came upon this today on what has been basically 95% commuting duty on the car. Charging at home with the L1, and at work (39km away) on the L2. Would've gotten better efficiency on the climate but unfortunately that's part of the issue I'm fighting with the dealership for...outside of that...very happy with my boring commuter

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If it was 2.5 hours after delivery they'd still be correct to refuse to warranty it. It sounds like the problem isn't the broken part but the salesman's eagerness to help out. If there really is no intent to f* you over you might want to consider cutting him some slack.

 

[mimico_polak]

If it was 2.5 hours after delivery they'd still be correct to refuse to warranty it. It sounds like the problem isn't the broken part but the salesman's eagerness to help out. If there really is no intent to f* you over you might want to consider cutting him some slack.

Understood, but when I'm told 'everything is covered for 30 days' and then it changes to 'everything is covered for 30 days as long as it's safety related' then I get upset.

Regardless...my fault for not getting it in writing. No fault on the car, service is trying to help out anyway.

 

[fastar1]

Understood, but when I'm told 'everything is covered for 30 days' and then it changes to 'everything is covered for 30 days as long as it's safety related' then I get upset.

Regardless...my fault for not getting it in writing. No fault on the car, service is trying to help out anyway.

Ah that's different, it's not the salesguy trying to be nice after the fact as I assumed, it's deception before the fact. Bastids.

 

[PrivatePilot]

January 1, 2018

Ontario Building Code will require ALL new homes to have standard 200amp service (instead of 100amp which is the usual) and "rough in" piping for Car Chargers.

Wow, they are really pushing EV ready living....

Forward thinking is smart. I'm sure many will gripe about this until 5-10 years from now when many actually own that EV that they pooh-pooh'd relentlessly beforehand and now they're all ready to go without any investment needed for their L2.

I think it would be hard to find a normal house where a 100 amp service was inadequate for typical use + EV charging (especially with EV charging off-peak).

You'd be very surprised how easy it is to hit 100 amps. I know, because I've almost hit it - Saturday afternoon this past weekend.

• Pool pump on high speed (gas heater was running)
• The Volt was charging in the driveway
• Dishwasher was running
• Central A/C was running
• Load in the washer
• Load in the dryer (Gas dryer, but still uses 110V for the drum and such)
• 3 elements on the stove, preparing dinner.

We have a 200A service, but look at it this way - if we had a second Volt (which is likely to happen), in this situation above with a 100A service, well, if both were charging, we'd have popped the main breaker.

For someone with an EV that charges at 30A vs the Volts 16A this would be even easier to hit. Now picture 2 EV's charging at 30A each.

It adds up fast. Add in some baseboard heaters and maybe an electric hot water tank and you could easily exceed 100A with an EV as part of the mix.

So have had the car for a month now and overall I'm impressed. Not happy about a broken part 2.5 weeks after taking possession

1000KM with zero gas. Even I'm jealous LOL, I think the most we've accomplished was 300KM or so over a 4 day weekend.

What part is broken, out of curiosity?

 

[fastar1]

Forward thinking is smart. I'm sure many will gripe about this until 5-10 years from now when many actually own that EV that they pooh-pooh'd relentlessly beforehand and now they're all ready to go without any investment needed for their L2.

The future of cars is driverless. Meaning shared. Transportation as a service: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_as_a_Service

I know gearheads don't like the idea, especially those named PrivatePilot, but private car ownership will be the exception within most of our lifetimes, and shared vehicles will charge at any of several large charging stations.

You'd be very surprised how easy it is to hit 100 amps. I know, because I've almost hit it - Saturday afternoon this past weekend.

• Pool pump on high speed (gas heater was running)
• The Volt was charging in the driveway
• Dishwasher was running
• Central A/C was running
• Load in the washer
• Load in the dryer (Gas dryer, but still uses 110V for the drum and such)
• 3 elements on the stove, preparing dinner.

We have a 200A service, but look at it this way - if we had a second Volt (which is likely to happen), in this situation above with a 100A service, well, if both were charging, we'd have popped the main breaker.

For someone with an EV that charges at 30A vs the Volts 16A this would be even easier to hit. Now picture 2 EV's charging at 30A each.

It adds up fast. Add in some baseboard heaters and maybe an electric hot water tank and you could easily exceed 100A with an EV as part of the mix.

1000KM with zero gas. Even I'm jealous LOL, I think the most we've accomplished was 300KM or so over a 4 day weekend.

What part is broken, out of curiosity?

Whats the matter, were your vacuum and microwave and hot tub broken? Not much left for you to turn on all at the same time.

 

[GreyGhost]

The future of cars is driverless. Meaning shared. Transportation as a service: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_as_a_Service

I know gearheads don't like the idea, especially those named PrivatePilot, but private car ownership will be the exception within most of our lifetimes, and shared vehicles will charge at any of several large charging stations.
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This makes a ton of sense downtown. A parking garage with 100 communal cars used most of the time makes infinitely more sense than one with 300 private cars parked most of the time.

In the suburbs it will never fly. People are not going to walk/take crappy transit to the nearest car depot (which coincidentally there is very little land to build it on as all of the land was consumed by subdivisions). The whole suburbia system is built on the assumption that the vast majority have cars in their driveways, to get anywhere walking is far and takes too long. Public transit on a useful interval (say 10 minutes) will never be viable as the density is just too low.

Now if you are talking about a generation or two further on where you press a button and the car shows up to pick you up? Sign me up. I'll keep a toy car and dump the daily driver.

 

[fastar1]

That's what driverless means.

 

[PrivatePilot]

The future of cars is driverless. Meaning shared. Transportation as a service:

Don't mistake driverless for shared.

As was already mentioned, shared transportation is a nice pipe dream that works for a small segment of the highly urban populations, but is not realistic for pretty much anyone else - personal vehicle ownership is inevitable for the foreseeable future until the world is so littered with driverless shared vehicles sitting no more than a few KM from every person on the planet who needs to go somewhere and summons a car, but isn't interested in waiting for an hour for it to show up.

I know gearheads don't like the idea, especially those named PrivatePilot, but private car ownership will be the exception within most of our lifetimes, and shared vehicles will charge at any of several large charging stations.

Disagree.

And I don't believe I've ever expressed any issues with driverless cars. To the contrary given the nature of my job removing the variable of the idiot behind the wheel would save me many frayed nerves - accidents involving large commercial vehicles are almost always the direct result of a mistake by a small vehicle driver. I'd love to NOT have the bejesus scared out of me once or twice a week when someone does something incredibly stupid around me - you have no idea unless you do this job for a living like I do.

And yeah yeah, driverless trucks, I'll be out of a job, blah blah. Again, often trumpeted by people who have no understanding whatsoever of the realities of our jobs. Again, not happening for at least 20-30+ years - I'll be retired by then.

Whats the matter, were your vacuum and microwave and hot tub broken? Not much left for you to turn on all at the same time.

Hey, just stating reality. Replace my charging EV with an electric hot water tank, and the pool pump with a second window unit AC running in someones bedroom for example...and you have the same result. Thing is, people really have zero comprehension how much electricity they might be using at any moment in time as not everyone has a whole home wattage meter like I do. When people get them, it's often an eye opening experience, trust me. The people who say "100 amps is more than enough!" might be surprised to find that on a busy Saturday afternoon (for example) preparing for a big family event with food in the oven, a few burners going on the stove, the central AC on, and the hot water tank trying to keep up with the kids in the shower or that dishwasher...and they're running at 70-80 amps in their main panel.

 

[fastar1]

I'm not mistaking anything. Driverless cars will inevitably and quickly lead to widespread adoption of shared transportation. That's exactly what I said: driverless means shared.

Another way of saying the same thing is shared mobility is limited by the absence of driverless cars. That would be the situation right now. Shared vehicles aren't a "pipe dream", if only because they exist! But more than that, they even serves their purpose very well. And shared will dominate when driverless arrives.

Apart from those errors, our only disagreement seems to be the timing of when driverless becomes a reality. Whether it's 15 years or 30 years, it still makes no sense to mandate 200W supply to all homes now.

 

[PrivatePilot]

A driverless car is, to me, a car that I still own and never leaves my possession, but I just get in and it takes me to point B on it's own.

A shared car is basically...well, the modern day ZipCar or a taxi - a car that I don't own but I pay a fee whenever I might need it, which depending on where I live, might be very seldom and for short periods.

Mixing the two is a long way off - what I picture you are envisioning is a world where there's just countless driverless "drone" cars out there sitting and waiting for someone to press a button on their cellphone at which point it zips around the corner and picks you up.

 

[fastar1]

A driverless car is, to me, a car that I still own and never leaves my possession, but I just get in and it takes me to point B on it's own.

A shared car is basically...well, the modern day ZipCar or a taxi - a car that I don't own but I pay a fee whenever I might need it, which depending on where I live, might be very seldom and for short periods.

Mixing the two is a long way off - what I picture you are envisioning is a world where there's just countless driverless "drone" cars out there sitting and waiting for someone to press a button on their cellphone at which point it zips around the corner and picks you up.

Of course they're different. That's how we currently have shared cars but not driverless cars. Different!

The fact remains that despite your personal choice to own your own private AV when the time comes, I'm certain the vast majority will opt for the much cheaper and more convenient option of shared AVs. In fact I'll even bet against your own claims that you'll maintain a private AV. As this thread proves, once you see the benefit of a new technology you have no concern about diving right in, and I don't think you understand all the benefits of AVs yet.

 

[nobbie48]

January 1, 2018

Ontario Building Code will require ALL new homes to have standard 200amp service (instead of 100amp which is the usual) and "rough in" piping for Car Chargers.

Wow, they are really pushing EV ready living....

Condos are not going this route. I checked with a supervisor for one of the biggest GTA condo building electrical contractors. The stations are only going in on a fraction of the parking spots.

As far as retrofitting old condos and the feeds to the buildings, transformer capacity etc it would be brutal $$$.

Suburbia and shared rides are 180 degrees apart. No neighbourhood stores in walking distance. Everything is private car dependent.

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