Thanks. I figured Tesla would have locked up their ecosystem to encourage you to buy their cars. It's good to know they are accessible to everyone.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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Thanks. I figured Tesla would have locked up their ecosystem to encourage you to buy their cars. It's good to know they are accessible to everyone.
The easiest way to reimburse would be some sort of mileage rate, not directly reimbursing for electricity. I'm not sure how this would work with government regulations though as mileage reimbursement on a company owned vehicle is atypical. Alternatively, EV's seem to be awesome at tracking the kWh from the charger, the fleet manager could either pull this data or you submit a pic of the screen and company reimburses at an agreed upon rate (maybe halfway between peak and off peak rates?)
I have no idea how many kms any of our vehicles get to a tank. I have no idea how much driving I do in a day, not a lot though. I don't and have never tracked any of it.... I don't know what the price of gas is... and I filled up this morning.... I just don't care.. at all.
IMO... It's not worth being concerned about.
They do have their superchargers locked up for Tesla only, but the Tesla destination chargers that they provide business' with (hotels, restaurants, etc.) can be accessed with the adapter. From what I can tell online, the example of the charger in Gravenhurst is associated with a Tim Horton's.
Destination chargers only, as you clarified only. The superchargers are not accessable to anything except Teslas as they talk a language only a real Tesla will respond to and activate.
EV's excell at short distance low speed driving, such as city/short trip. The complete opposite of a gas car that gets better HWY fuel economy vs City, EV's are the opposite. Yes, it's a fair argument that you loose charging time, but you'd also use an infinitesimally small amount of power for this sort of trip, and again, unless your cottage is 300+KM away you still have enough buffer.
Ultimately I'm not debating that there are situations where an EV won't work but it *does* work in most.
The Volt electric grid heater draws about 6KW when on it's absolutely maximum power, which it rarely is except during initial cabin heat up - I suspect the Bolt is about the same, but I'd have to dig into things. A realistic average is probably about 2KW/H (maybe 3 in an extreme case) once the cabin is warm. The bolt has a 60KW battery, so even if the car is at 50% charge during your scenario, and using the 3KW figure, you have 10 solid hours of total comfort before the battery is depleted. Lower the temperature a little to conserve, and you could stretch that to 15-20, again, at 50% battery. If the battery is nearly full those numbers get even bigger - much bigger.
I like being concerned about all of the above as it saves us money. If money is no object or you just don't care about it, I guess yeah, it doesn't matter.
I would have never considered an EV until I saw this thread, did some additional research, and had LOTS and LOTS of discussions with some of the main posters for this. Thanks for that!
Now speaking of range (esp on the Bolt)....I met a guy this afternoon when my 4hrs of courtesy charge were up. I went downstairs to free up the space and he took it. Guy's had the Bolt for a few months now (coming off a Dodge 1500 Ram) and said the following:
- gone to Midland and back on a single charge
- gone to Buffalo and back on a single charge
He's currently getting up to 400km per charge during the warmer months and couldn't be happier. Now I'm not at a stage where I fully embrace EV (without ICE) but 400km would suit my needs fairly well. 120km to the cottage one way, a few hours of charging, and then leave it overnight while we're there and filled up with LCBO and groceries.
Another EV will be in our future, but the Bolt is too small and too $ at current levels for my wife's business as she puts on 100-200km/day.
EDIT: Almost forgot....have had the car since Wednesday night and so far i've got 250km with ZERO fuel used. Mind you I didn't take it to the cottage as frankly it wouldn't fit everything. And on Thursday I did 73km on a single charge with a 1.5hr top up from 43km remaining on 110VAC at home. Came home with 1km left before the engine starts. Fully recharged within 9hrs on 110V. I'm impressed.
Now speaking of range (esp on the Bolt)....I met a guy this afternoon when my 4hrs of courtesy charge were up. I went downstairs to free up the space and he took it. Guy's had the Bolt for a few months now (coming off a Dodge 1500 Ram) and said the following:
- gone to Midland and back on a single charge
- gone to Buffalo and back on a single charge
He's currently getting up to 400km per charge during the warmer months and couldn't be happier. Now I'm not at a stage where I fully embrace EV (without ICE) but 400km would suit my needs fairly well. 120km to the cottage one way, a few hours of charging, and then leave it overnight while we're there and filled up with LCBO and groceries.
Another EV will be in our future, but the Bolt is too small and too $ at current levels for my wife's business as she puts on 100-200km/day.
EDIT: Almost forgot....have had the car since Wednesday night and so far i've got 250km with ZERO fuel used. Mind you I didn't take it to the cottage as frankly it wouldn't fit everything. And on Thursday I did 73km on a single charge with a 1.5hr top up from 43km remaining on 110VAC at home. Came home with 1km left before the engine starts. Fully recharged within 9hrs on 110V. I'm impressed.
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I've kicked it up the ladder and will see where it ends up.
We do have a vehicle allowance option or mileage option and both are not that attractive. I think that is by design. If the other options where fiscally on the same level as having the company vehicle, it might reduce the fleet and in turn make the program cost more.
On the other hand, based on Quebec and having a corporate responsibility towards the environment, does have them reviewing options.
Just doesn't look like it will happen when it's time for replacement.
Anyways, don't want to side track that a thread.
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We do have a vehicle allowance option or mileage option and both are not that attractive. I think that is by design. If the other options where fiscally on the same level as having the company vehicle, it might reduce the fleet and in turn make the program cost more.
On the other hand, based on Quebec and having a corporate responsibility towards the environment, does have them reviewing options.
Just doesn't look like it will happen when it's time for replacement.
Anyways, don't want to side track that a thread.
Cheers
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Can anyone point me in the right direction here....how would I be able to confirm a UL/ULC number is legit on a charge cable?
UL
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/...71.1754203097.1504662256-851278561.1504662256
ULC
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISCANADA/1FRAME/index.html
Doesn't guarantee that you aren't buying a ripoff of the rated product, but normally that is too much work. They just make their own cable and use the UL listing number for a single product on all of their products (one of the iphone ULC codes is apparently very popular among dodgy products)
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2018 Nissan Leaf
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/0...m-range-propilot-autonomous-driving-features/
In a nutshell: 40kWh battery, 249mi range (400km), charge from 'low battery' warning to 80% charge in 40 minites, US $30,000. Nissan Propilot AV functionality is added, not sure if optional or standard.
The race is truly on.
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/0...m-range-propilot-autonomous-driving-features/
In a nutshell: 40kWh battery, 249mi range (400km), charge from 'low battery' warning to 80% charge in 40 minites, US $30,000. Nissan Propilot AV functionality is added, not sure if optional or standard.
The race is truly on.
Neither... It just doesn't make sense to me to spend any thought on it.
I saw the Leaf announcement last night just as I was headed to bed.
Agreed, it based on a Japan based testing methodology IIRC (there's details out there about it) which is drastically different than ours and weighted heavily towards low speed driving vs our typical higher speeds. In the North American market it's rated for around 250KM.
At 250KM it's interesting and would certainly fit the bill for most people even with longer than normal commutes (My wife could indeed make it to work and home again with some range to spare) but IMHO the price difference vs the Bolt isn't enough that I wouldn't be more than willing to pay the bit more for the Bolt with 20 more KWH in the battery and an extra 100+KM or range which makes it much more versatile.
I will admit the $7000 lower price tag vs a base Bolt will make things interesting though, but I'd also want to sit down and read a lot more about the technical aspects of the car before rushing to buy one - does it have active thermal management of the battery like the Volt/Bolt, for example? That's a HUGE one so far as battery longevity - if it loses 20% of it's range in 3-4 years for example due to poor thermal management you're potentially looking at a car with 200KM of range at best, and therefore proabbly 120-150 in our winters - at that point it's usefulness for many people starts to wane.
We used to save between $50-$100/month just by putting a little bit of time, effort, and thought into the operation and fueling of our vehicles - that adds up to a lot of money at the end of the year. When travelling in the USA for example 30 seconds of planning could potentially save you $20 on a fillup.
Again, if $500-$1000 a year in potential savings for a bit of thought doesn't matter to you, hey, go for it...but I'm frugal like that, and the effort is worth it for those sorts of savings.
Agreed, it based on a Japan based testing methodology IIRC (there's details out there about it) which is drastically different than ours and weighted heavily towards low speed driving vs our typical higher speeds. In the North American market it's rated for around 250KM.
At 250KM it's interesting and would certainly fit the bill for most people even with longer than normal commutes (My wife could indeed make it to work and home again with some range to spare) but IMHO the price difference vs the Bolt isn't enough that I wouldn't be more than willing to pay the bit more for the Bolt with 20 more KWH in the battery and an extra 100+KM or range which makes it much more versatile.
I will admit the $7000 lower price tag vs a base Bolt will make things interesting though, but I'd also want to sit down and read a lot more about the technical aspects of the car before rushing to buy one - does it have active thermal management of the battery like the Volt/Bolt, for example? That's a HUGE one so far as battery longevity - if it loses 20% of it's range in 3-4 years for example due to poor thermal management you're potentially looking at a car with 200KM of range at best, and therefore proabbly 120-150 in our winters - at that point it's usefulness for many people starts to wane.
We used to save between $50-$100/month just by putting a little bit of time, effort, and thought into the operation and fueling of our vehicles - that adds up to a lot of money at the end of the year. When travelling in the USA for example 30 seconds of planning could potentially save you $20 on a fillup.
Again, if $500-$1000 a year in potential savings for a bit of thought doesn't matter to you, hey, go for it...but I'm frugal like that, and the effort is worth it for those sorts of savings.
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IIRC you posted about experienced semi drivers leaving room in front to avoid the fuel costs of a start from a full stop. Compare that to the zoomers that run full power all the way to a red light and then stomp on the brakes. I coast, saving wear and tear on the brakes and fuel cap.
Does Wynne have opposing forces in her methodology?
If I had the parking space we could run an EVs for most of our driving and have an ICE for those weird days when I'm not sure if I might have to totally change my plans.
Of course the ICE would have to be insured even though it would only be occasionally driven. Will the insurance company give me a break on rates because there only two drivers for three vehicles? No bloody way.
Of course I could buy an ebike, capable of doing thousands of dollars damage to the side of a car or flattening grandma while illegally riding on the sidewalk and it doesn't need insurance or even an indication of competency.
Re trip planning, a simple GPS set for fastest time may take you 30 miles out of the way to save a minute of time while using a gallon of gas. That saved minute cost you several dollars.
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My problem is that I'm just too damn lazy. Same reason why I have never created a budget. Although I absolutely know that I should.
And I *snipped* the part of the quote where you said that EVs excel in low speed short distance....
I have been talking about this thread to my wife. Also pointed out the chargers at our recent trip to Ikea. She is interested now in something like the Volt. With my son driving in a few years, and her possibly handing down the Escape to him, EV may be a possibility for us in a few years.
We almost exclusively go out as a family in my Pilot. So an EV may suit as her commute is ~12km eaxh way daily.
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Hoping to get some advice RE the EVSE chargers. I just purchased a Volt, and would like to get Level 2 charger for the garage. It looks like I could add 240V to the garage (two 40A breakers used in main panel for the garage; garage panel is rated for 120V/240V and there are enough empty slots in the garage panel). Does it matter which charger I get? I don't think I need "smart" chargers as the car seems smart enough. What should I expect to pay for charger and installation? Currently, I'm waiting on a quote from AC Electrical for instal.
Thanks!
Thanks!
You already have 240V to the garage (unless something incredibly dodgy happened when the subpanel was installed). All you need is a breaker and 220V receptacle to hookup a lvl 2 charger. Others can comment on specifics regarding chargers.
If you have a second gen volt all you have to do is plug the evse in to 220v and you will have level 2 charging. All you need is a double 15 breaker for the evse. Dont cut the plug off the charger as it has a overheating sensor in it make a adapter from a 220 plug to a 110 socket.
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