Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

[GateKeeper]

Well this thread and all the great info it has provided, along with some independent investigative work, it was all that was needed for a co-worker to go out and order himself a brand spanking new Bolt......

Expected delivery date is around September, and he couldn't be happier....

Many thanks to PrivatePilot for the great thread....


I am not interested in the Volt or Bolt, but end of August I will go and possibly put a deposit down on the Tesla3, the time it takes to get one will work out just right for me....

Cheers

 

[Rick CH]

Well this thread and all the great info it has provided, along with some independent investigative work, it was all that was needed for a co-worker to go out and order himself a brand spanking new Bolt......

Expected delivery date is around September,

It seems like he got an "express" order; when did he order? Some Jan and Feb orders are just getting word that late August should be their delivery dates.

 

[slowbird]

Non-turbo, manual transmission. Average is around 6, best has been 5.4.

Nice. Off topic but I hope it's working well for you. My Fiat was a huge PITA and always had issues. I had to get rid of it.

5.0 L/100 km with a Grand Am GT must have been DWFW (downhill with following wind)

LMAO! :lmao: I know right.

I'm pretty sure it was cruising to Ottawa on the highway.

 

[slowbird]

Well this thread and all the great info it has provided, along with some independent investigative work, it was all that was needed for a co-worker to go out and order himself a brand spanking new Bolt......

Expected delivery date is around September, and he couldn't be happier....

Many thanks to PrivatePilot for the great thread....

Awesome!

Don't forget LBV. He had a Volt and contributed to this thread in it's infancy.

Thanks to them both.

 

[GateKeeper]

It seems like he got an "express" order; when did he order? Some Jan and Feb orders are just getting word that late August should be their delivery dates.

put his order in and deposit the week of August 20th

I believe he said end of September......plus it's in Hamilton.....if that makes a difference

MY BAD.....



it's end of October, start of November for his expected delivery date....

 

[fastar1]

I am not interested in the Volt or Bolt, but end of August I will go and possibly put a deposit down on the Tesla3, the time it takes to get one will work out just right for me....

Cheers

If you need to precisely time the ordering of a Model 3 after reserving one, you're asking for trouble. Musk has set a target to fulfill all existing orders before the end of 2018, but that's only a goal. Its success rests on Tesla reaching their production rate target of 500,000 per year, which may be the most difficult goal he's ever set out of all his risky ventures.

So unless buyers back out, actually producing all current Model 3 reservations can only be delayed. It wouldn't take much for several months to add on, even an extra year. If I were you I'd get my reservation in ASAP and try and schedule my new car life around as flexible a delivery date as possible.

 

[mxs]

Right now, we are in the super hype zone ... I looked at it the way, that the best car out of all cars is the one I don't need to buy. So if the current fleet is performing fine, I don't think I have to rush anywhere. So many things can change in a year or or three ..... If Tesla is successful in their production forecasting (or somewhat successful) they will have a car for you in a year or two, but so will GM and in a 2-3 years others as well. If Tesla is heavily delayed due to manufacturing issue or reliability issues, I don't think I want their car anyway anytime soon, until the bugs are out anyway ...... so not much is lost, unless of course, your car is about to go and you need to plan pronto.

Other than that, it's all hype created to pull more money out of our wallets .... LOL ... isn't it always the case?

 

[GateKeeper]

If you need to precisely time the ordering of a Model 3 after reserving one, you're asking for trouble. Musk has set a target to fulfill all existing orders before the end of 2018, but that's only a goal. Its success rests on Tesla reaching their production rate target of 500,000 per year, which may be the most difficult goal he's ever set out of all his risky ventures.

So unless buyers back out, actually producing all current Model 3 reservations can only be delayed. It wouldn't take much for several months to add on, even an extra year. If I were you I'd get my reservation in ASAP and try and schedule my new car life around as flexible a delivery date as possible.

Thanks....

I can wait, there is no rush or urgency, when it's done and ready and on the lot, it will be fine.......

 

[MSRP]

Love the Model 3, love the direction of innovation, but we still ain’t there.
So say 100,000 Model 3’s come onto the Ontario roads over the next 2 years, all those existing mall chargers will be full, all the time, and lineups at a supercharger? HAH, no thanks Wynn.

What’s the current and forecasted script for Ont-errible to upgrade the existing powergrid?—will it cope with an additional 100,000 people plugging in for that sweet electric juice during off peak hours? Probably, how about 200,000? And beyond?

Love it, just “not quite there”. This thread has opened me up to electric hybrids like the Volt for sure, wish their 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] seat in the back wasn’t so uncomfortable. If a manufacture like Mazda brought over a mazda 6 wagon with a powertrain like the Volt?—I’d be the first to sign up.
I’m still waiting for their diesel to come overseas, diesel prices have been stable the past few years, and I would still be able to tow (well) with that.

 

[GreyGhost]

I’m still waiting for their diesel to come overseas, diesel prices have been stable the past few years, and I would still be able to tow (well) with that.

If the Mazda 6 diesel wagon was available in NA a few years ago, I would be driving one. It's a great looking car.

I suspect dieselgate has pretty much wiped out diesels in north america. VW made up most of the small vehicle diesels and as they become much more scarce, even fewer gas stations will bother installing diesel tanks when reconstructed. I like small diesel, but sadly it is circling the drain.

Do any electric/ER EV's have any tow rating? Obviously there would be a range hit, but they seem ideally suited for towing with tons of torque and no transmission to blow up/generate heat. I suspect manufacturers will continue the stupid SUV game where they will only rate their high profit margin vehicles even in the cheaper/smaller vehicles are entirely competent.

 

[MSRP]

If the Mazda 6 diesel wagon was available in NA a few years ago, I would be driving one. It's a great looking car.

I suspect dieselgate has pretty much wiped out diesels in north america. VW made up most of the small vehicle diesels and as they become much more scarce, even fewer gas stations will bother installing diesel tanks when reconstructed. I like small diesel, but sadly it is circling the drain.

Do any electric/ER EV's have any tow rating? Obviously there would be a range hit, but they seem ideally suited for towing with tons of torque and no transmission to blow up/generate heat. I suspect manufacturers will continue the stupid SUV game where they will only rate their high profit margin vehicles even in the cheaper/smaller vehicles are entirely competent.

There will always be diesel pumps for the big rigs and commercial vehicles.. maybe they'll disappear from the downtown core, but along a major route, no way. I submit that diesel may have fewer and offerings moving forward, but I dare believe that there will always be one or two dumb/brave souls that will invest in testing and bringing their bread and butter offering from Europe, to these shores. Then again, the whole benefit of ev/hybrids are the much simpler upkeep and maintenance vs diesel.

Fine, I want a hatchback or wagon version with a volt powertrain, and I want it now. No pure EV's for me, please and thank you.

 

[Rick CH]

Do any electric/ER EV's have any tow rating? Obviously there would be a range hit, but they seem ideally suited for towing with tons of torque and no transmission to blow up/generate heat. I suspect manufacturers will continue the stupid SUV game where they will only rate their high profit margin vehicles even in the cheaper/smaller vehicles are entirely competent.

Only the Tesla X is tow rated (at least over here it's the only one, don't know about anywhere else). Another example of how contrived the North American tow ratings are, here's a small EV under development over in Europe and has a proposed 750kg tow rating. https://www.sonomotors.com/sion.html

 

[mxs]

Love the Model 3, love the direction of innovation, but we still ain’t there.
So say 100,000 Model 3’s come onto the Ontario roads over the next 2 years, all those existing mall chargers will be full, all the time, and lineups at a supercharger? HAH, no thanks Wynn.

You assume most people will distance charge on the road. With battery as large as M3's (or Bolt's), most people will go days before they have to charge at home overnight. Make no mistake, what Tesla is doing is the necessary (because people are lazy to pay attention, so the comfort of having charging station densely spread is necessary for mass adoption), but the truth is that 9 out of 10 people do not need to charge away from home (especially if you consider EV as a city vehicle; families with one vehicle of course are disadvantaged here, but they are in vast minority in North America). That's just the way it is, yet it keeps coming up as a main deterrent in our society ....

What’s the current and forecasted script for Ont-errible to upgrade the existing powergrid?—will it cope with an additional 100,000 people plugging in for that sweet electric juice during off peak hours? Probably, how about 200,000? And beyond?

I am not aware of Ontario study on this subject, but I doubt we have to do anything special to accommodate 200K EV's ... don't forget we have abundance of electricity we regularly SELL to our grid neighbors. We beg them to take it and then we pay them for that favor ..... as crazy as it sounds!

 

[mxs]

Only the Tesla X is tow rated (at least over here it's the only one, don't know about anywhere else). Another example of how contrived the North American tow ratings are, here's a small EV under development over in Europe and has a proposed 750kg tow rating. https://www.sonomotors.com/sion.html

I would not be so much worried about official approval to tow from a manufacturer, especially if they allow so in other parts of the world for the same vehicle (I have not had a vehicle I towed with yet in Canada which was officially approved for towing here ... yet I towed with many). It's rather the energy consumption hit you take doing so. Even the X just gobbles the electrons at crazy speed when you tow. Model 3 will be rated for light towing reportedly, which is good, but you will really have to plan your towing route, especially in Ontario. I am thinking Toronto - Barrie - Toronto would be tight towing 1000lbs, especially on hwy, on one charge and standard 60kWh pack. Will have to wait for some official energy consumption numbers ....

 

[GreyGhost]

I am not aware of Ontario study on this subject, but I doubt we have to do anything special to accommodate 200K EV's ... don't forget we have abundance of electricity we regularly SELL to our grid neighbors. We beg them to take it and then we pay them for that favor ..... as crazy as it sounds!

Agreed, off peak will be accomodated with no problems. The much bigger problem will be "free" charging at work. Now you are increasing the peak demand and more (very expensive) peaking plants will need to be brought online. If too many locations offer peak EV charging, I could see bulk chargers (eg. locations with 10 or more chargers) getting a special rate structure that costs much more than normal during peak hours. There is rarely a need to charge pure EV's during peak hours.

 

[caboose56]

Agreed, off peak will be accomodated with no problems. The much bigger problem will be "free" charging at work. Now you are increasing the peak demand and more (very expensive) peaking plants will need to be brought online. If too many locations offer peak EV charging, I could see bulk chargers (eg. locations with 10 or more chargers) getting a special rate structure that costs much more than normal during peak hours. There is rarely a need to charge pure EV's during peak hours.

One thing I foresee as the number of EVs increases is that the free charging stations will no longer be free. You'll have to pay for the power at either a break even rate or allow for a profit margin.

Some employers already offer charging stations at work but for only a couple of EVs the power draw is an insignificant increase over what is already consumed just to run their business. If 100 EVs are plugged in and charging that is not insignificant.

 

[Rick CH]

I would not be so much worried about official approval to tow from a manufacturer

I definitely don't worry about what the manufacturers say; my Celica is rated to tow 2000lbs (no other qualifications or disclaimers) in the manual, yet a current Toyota Highlander is only rated up to 1000lbs without trailer brakes (more with brakes). Somehow a Highlander is less capable to tow?!?!

I follow these ratings because I know what kind of legal wrangling could happen if I have an accident with a vehicle not tow rated. Even though that legal fight can be won, the bill for that kind of representation would be HEFTY. It's a risk I choose not to take because I know how expensive it is to mount a court challenge against an insurance company.

 

[mxs]

One thing I foresee as the number of EVs increases is that the free charging stations will no longer be free. You'll have to pay for the power at either a break even rate or allow for a profit margin.

Some employers already offer charging stations at work but for only a couple of EVs the power draw is an insignificant increase over what is already consumed just to run their business. If 100 EVs are plugged in and charging that is not insignificant.

This, plus the real EV's ... like Bolt or M3 will not really need for work charging, unless ... you were unexpectedly sent out on a business trip during a day ... again this applies to so very few people and rather EV's or hybrids with minuscule batteries. Once they have to pay for it (you bet it will not be a freebie, unless you pay +100K for your car), they will think twice where they charge and possibly line up to top off unnecessarily in the middle of a day.

 

[GreyGhost]

This, plus the real EV's ... like Bolt or M3 will not really need for work charging, unless ... you were unexpectedly sent out on a business trip during a day ... again this applies to so very few people and rather EV's or hybrids with minuscule batteries. Once they have to pay for it (you bet it will not be a freebie, unless you pay +100K for your car), they will think twice where they charge and possibly line up to top off unnecessarily in the middle of a day.

I was more thinking about businesses providing it as an employee benefit/green washing effort. Many employees may charge at work and not at home to save money in that scenario. That would be a reason to implement punitive pricing as you are moving something that could easily be done off-peak into peak hours for no good reason.

 

[mxs]

I think it will vary greatly employer from employer .... The ones who offer perks already surely will offer some form of free charging .... smaller companies with no perks today, might not even bother install an EV stall. It will be all over the place I am sure. I still think, that 90% of people will opt to charge home, especially once 300km EV's will become the norm. Convenience will beat the dollar saving, especially in ****** weather etc.