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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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I get that part.. I was just surprised they didn't make you breaker and wire for 40 or 50 amps even if you only wanted 30.
Electrician understood the desire to not have to tear apart a whole lot of drywall in order to replace that cable which would have been needed to correspond with that current rating which we didn't need ... Electrician also understood that the circuit was to be dedicated to that EVSE and he read the instruction manual and confirmed my dip switch settings limiting it to 24 amps ... Electrician was okay with using the receptacle well below its current ratings as opposed to pushing the limits (there's more than a few photos on the internet of blown-up receptacles) ... common sense can be found out there if you look for it ...
I agree but now ESA has clearly stated that common sense is not allowed and will not be accommodated. Sucks to be a smart electrician that can do a good and safe job for your customers but to avoid putting your ticket on the line, you need to double the bill.
I know, that's why I said now. They have removed the ability for an electrician to think and install a safe solution.
Always go with a hard wired charger if you can. You eliminate a common failure point (fire)
Owise. If you go plug in, get a commercial rated device that can handle continuous loads. If your installer puts in a residential stove plug fire him immediately.
I've seen way too many melted plugs on chargers. Even commercial ones.
I haven't done a Tesla model S in a while, but when I did, the top model dual .motor required 100amps charging.
Last but not least. Check the manufacturer ratings on the charger. Most if not all require COPPER only. Some installers cheap out and use alum. Fire him
Owise. If you go plug in, get a commercial rated device that can handle continuous loads. If your installer puts in a residential stove plug fire him immediately.
I've seen way too many melted plugs on chargers. Even commercial ones.
I haven't done a Tesla model S in a while, but when I did, the top model dual .motor required 100amps charging.
Last but not least. Check the manufacturer ratings on the charger. Most if not all require COPPER only. Some installers cheap out and use alum. Fire him
Thx Sunny. No tesla S or hummer in my foreseeable future. Even then, I would be shocked if the evse couldn't be turned down to match the wire capacity.
Rich ppl don't like to wait. Fastest charging please
P.s. we always run a min 60amp line on all my installs. Future proof.
Fair enough. Tbh, 30A supply is probably sufficient for all of my future ev needs. I am just considering 60A as it may help fit charging into whatever cheap time windows the government dreams up.
I would run a min "60A" capable wire at least (#6 copper). Caveats...
If it is a long run you need to consider the moderate future proofing vs cost today.
If the run is easily accessible for future upgrades it also echos the above.
The breaker selected and the outlet/hardwired connections MUST also be rated to take #6.
It can be a bugger to work with (bends) inside boxes or other enclosures.
Unlike others I have no issues with using an outlet vs hardwired. Yes it is a potential point of failure but at the same time if the charger is left plugged in and the outlet is a quality one.... how many stove outlets fail? I think where problems are hit is when people use cheap outlets, and are constantly plugging and unplugging their chargers. Just MO.
#6 copper was the plan. Not running copper yet. Longest run will be ~50'. As for hard-wired vs plug, that will be decided later too. Right now is more about planning panel to ensure that space is available for future needs. If consensus was 30A is a better choice, I would get some common trip quads with 30A2P. 60A means I need four empty spaces (well, for now, filled spaces with unused breakers).
What brand is the panel?
Cutler hammer CPM.
Ok I think I get it, four spots for 60A was throwing me off. 30A means you can get "four" breakers in the space of two "regular" breakers with the inner two ganged for EV and the outer two possibly ganged for another 240v 30A circuit (Dryer/AC/Whatever???). 60A mean you need a ganged breaker that takes up two full spots in the panel as this is the only option at this amperage? I see a regular width (aka full height) 120v breaker as being one spot... not two, narrow ones as being two in the space of one (if that makes sense, just semantics).
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Just comparing a regular CH ganged 30A vs ganged 60A the price difference looks to be $5.... Personally I would go 60A in this context and make up the space somewhere else in the panel.
Also, if going ESA notification.... make sure the extensive swap out of the full height to half-height breakers does not mean an upgrade to CAFI which AFAIK is rare to non-existent on half heights (not sure for CH) but $$$s none the less. Replacing a bunch of failed breaker(s), bad luck I guess
vs re-wiring the entire panel. The ESA has noted that the number of notifications for home EV charging installs is dramatically lower than the number EVs purchased. Good summer student job, drive around and look for home EV chargers and then cross reference to notifications....
esasafe.com
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Just comparing a regular CH ganged 30A vs ganged 60A the price difference looks to be $5.... Personally I would go 60A in this context and make up the space somewhere else in the panel.
Also, if going ESA notification.... make sure the extensive swap out of the full height to half-height breakers does not mean an upgrade to CAFI which AFAIK is rare to non-existent on half heights (not sure for CH) but $$$s none the less. Replacing a bunch of failed breaker(s), bad luck I guess
vs re-wiring the entire panel. The ESA has noted that the number of notifications for home EV charging installs is dramatically lower than the number EVs purchased. Good summer student job, drive around and look for home EV chargers and then cross reference to notifications....
ESA Ramps Up Electric Vehicle Charging Safety in Ontario
The Electrical Safety Authority (ESA) conducted a safety blitz in Toronto to assess EV charger installations and found more than 400 incidents of working without an ESA permit – meaning the installation may not be to code or safe.
esasafe.com
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extremely rare. only because nobody runs their stove at max continuously.
save yourself a potential headache, just go hardwired.....
Happy reading!
melted ev charger outlets - Google Search
Definitely a fair point. I would be shocked if anyone ever ran a stove at max for more than about 30 minutes. After that, oven would be cycling and burners would likely be turned down. On self-clean, oven may stay on longer but no burners should be on at the same time. An EV pulling 40A for 6+ hours is very plausible.
Teslas Have a Minor Issue Where the Wheels Fly Off While Driving, Documents Show
Despite knowing about chronic "flaws," Tesla reportedly blamed drivers for glaring defects like collapsed suspensions and breaking axles.
futurism.com
Just a "minor" issue where the wheels fall off. No biggie. And driver error as well of course, accordingly to Tesla.
Glad to report all our wheels are still attached.
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