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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Mad Mike said:
Yes, I'd use off peak rates (Markham that's a little over 11cents/kwh. (7.4c is our energy charge- but to compare apples to apples you have to include the variable charges too - delivery 1.33c, transmission .1c , line loss adjustment .325c, , debt retirement .7c and HST 1.28c bring my off peak to 11.2c/kwh.)

Comparing Volt to a Cruze is what I did to when I bought my first Cruze in 2015. At that time, comparably equipped cars were OTD 40k (with rebate) for Volt, 21k for Cruze. Gas was 1.10/l.

I wanted the Volt, wife was skeptical. She agreed to go forward if I could show her how a Volt would save us money. I couldn't make it even close.

I still wanted to try electric, tried again in '19, Cruze vs Bolt, Iconic, and Leaf. TCO closer, but still a huge premium to drive an EV.

Its gonna be different on my next truck. 16l/100 vs 40kwh/100km will make a truck much easier to justify.
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Wow 16l/100km adds up pretty quick.

It is a cost premium for sure to drive an electric, but the gap is narrowing each year. I'd like to get a full electric for my next car and when that times comes, there will be even more options. My wife would prefer me to spend more money and get something fun, than spend less money and be totally sensible.
 
GreyGhost said:
28 kwh/100 according to blackcamaros real world experience. Huge cost saving if you can get one and you truck needs can be satisfied with the lightning.
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I like the lightning, but I have never wanted to own a Ford. My formative years for cars were in the early 80s, I used to spend every waking hour fixing cars - just because I loved fixing them. I got pretty good at rust repair thanks to Ford. I probably did 50 Mustang, Maverick and Pintos by the time I was 22 - floors, rockers and quarters.

I thought gord got over that till my bil brought me his 12 Escape - had to weld in both rear shock towers. Bet I could still put a floor in a pinto inside 3 hours.
 
Mad Mike said:
A 2019 Cruze sells for $20k, $ 5k less than OTD original price.
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Paid $23K for our 2017 Volt just over a year ago and it still has 4 years and 55,000km of battery warranty left before that's even a remote concern, not that I'm particularly worried about it anyways.

The math changes a lot when you're comparing an EV that might have a few years on it put against something brand new.

But comparing a Tesla to a Cruze is apples and oranges, to be fair. It's like someone looking to buy an econobox versus a luxury car - someone looking at a $100,000 BMW compared to a $25K basic economy car isn't really a fair or remotely equal comparison. A more fair comparison would be a $100,000 BMW versus a $100,000 Tesla Model X or something.
 
Mad Mike said:
I like the lightning, but I have never wanted to own a Ford.
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Hang in there until the BT1XX GM EV trucks show up, then. Only problem is it's going to be a while before the lesser non-crazily-priced models show up.

Related note 1. I just came back from a week in Mexico. The project is a weld line for GM BEV3 (aka Equinox EV). In particular, the front subframe. Looks like I have to go back after it's moved to the production plant and a bunch of stuff on my punch list is sorted out. (Situation normal) Production start is supposedly last half 2023. I know what the cycle time is supposed to be, which infers how many they are planning to build, but that's confidential. Suffice it to say that GM is serious.

Related note 2. My Bolt spent the week in airport parking. Nothing bad happened. (LOL) It hasn't been charged since last Wednesday...

Coming week will catch up on that. I have to go to St Thomas twice. Done it before in warmer weather without issue. I know where there is a free Level 2 on the way...will probably stop there for a coffee and a splash of juice on the way there and lunch and another splash on the way back to make sure. The car still has never seen a fast-charger.
 
Chris-CJ said:
David Booth says that the perception of EVs being "green" vehicles is smoke and mirrors.

Here is an excerpt (based on numbers from the Volvo C40):
According to the Carbon Footprint Report for its fully-electric C40 Recharge, about 18 metric tonnes of CO2 are emitted in the production of the BEV’s hard parts. Everything from the melding of aluminum, steel, and plastic that makes up the C40’s chassis; to the electronics that power its hardware contribute to its footprint.

But that’s not all. Producing its lithium-ion battery creates another seven metric tonnes of carbon dioxide. Throw in another 1.4 tonnes produced by the actual manufacturing facility, and you have 26.4 metric tonnes of CO2 that would need sequestering (that’s roughly twice as much as required to manufacture an ICE-powered XC40, by the way).*

A little basic math reveals that, at an emission rate of 0.0000625 kilograms of CO2 per kilometre — that’s the ZEM’s rated two kilos every 32,000 klicks — Eindhoven’s car would have to travel about 422 million miles to sequester all of those 26.4 tonnes of CO2. And that’s if we assume that all the charging stations were powered by windmills; it’d be closer to 800 million miles if they were hooked up to the typical electricity grid.

Full article here:

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Here is a more credible analysis. Analysis: When do electric vehicles become cleaner than gasoline cars?

Argonne says the production of an EV mid-sized car is responsible for 8.1 tonnes of CO2.

Independent searching (just do simple google searches) finds that producing steel leads to CO2 emissions of 1.85 times whatever the mass of steel is. This doesn't include recycling, which is more efficient.
For aluminium, it's between 12 and 17 times whatever the mass of aluminium is, but it is extensively recycled, which is much more efficient.
For nickel, it's 13 times.
For plastics, I'm seeing 1.7 to 3.5 times, and recycling is insignificant.

It is entirely conceivable that Volvo's number is based upon producing all materials from scratch and Argonne's number factors in some amount of recycling. Steel, aluminium, and copper are extensively recycled. Plastics, not so much. Materials in lithium batteries - we (as a society) know how to do it but we're waiting for it to become economically viable, and that's when EVs are reaching end-of-life in significant numbers ... not there yet! ... this will be lagging EV production by 10 years give or take.

The amount of lithium in an EV battery is actually quite small - 5 to 8 kg. The above-mentioned CO2 emissions factor is about 15. This is insignificant compared to the rest of the vehicle and it's in the same range as a lot of other materials.

Here's a good article: How much CO2 is emitted by manufacturing batteries?
 
shanekingsley said:
It is a cost premium for sure to drive an electric, but the gap is narrowing each year. I'd like to get a full electric for my next car and when that times comes, there will be even more options. My wife would prefer me to spend more money and get something fun, than spend less money and be totally sensible.
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That's surprising to me. This is the blog I read when considering a Tesla a while back which showed it was cheaper over 8 years to drive a Tesla than an Odyssey:

My Model S purchase decision – TeslaCost

www.teslacost.com

You can download the spreadsheet and play with the numbers for your own situation, but obviously the more you drive the lower the TCO: TeslaCost – Cost of ownership analysis for the Tesla Model S, X, 3
 
Meanwhile in a far-off land (India), Chinese automaker, BYD has launched an e-SUV at INR 33.99 lakhs (approx CAD $57K)
The car is also available in the EU.
Equipped with a Blade Battery the vehicle features fast charging from 30% to 80% in 29 minutes, a range of 420 km and a 0-100km/h acceleration time of 7.3 seconds.

BYD ATTO 3: Expressive and dynamic C-SUV| BYD Europe

BYD ATTO 3 is equipped with the all-new BYD e-Platform 3.0 designed exclusively for pure electric vehicles,Giving full play to the advantages of intelligence,efficiency, safety and aesthetics.
www.byd.com www.byd.com
 
Son of a b17@#….check engine light on the Volt this morning.

No wonder my remote start didn’t fire up.
 
Looks interesting. $400,000 puts a damper on number of buyers
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Big early adopter premium buy can't see why mass production cannot bring that down to $30k. Not much new tech there except the foils and that's already in mass production.
Looks ideal for cottage country and dinghies and the quiet a bonus.
Already quite a few foil personal watercraft.


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MacDoc said:
Big early adopter premium buy can't see why mass production cannot bring that down to $30k. Not much new tech there except the foils and that's already in mass production.
Looks ideal for cottage country and dinghies and the quiet a bonus.
Already quite a few foil personal watercraft.


www.yachtingworld.com

Is this foiling jetski the future of personal watercraft? - Yachting World

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30k is dreaming. Foils arent cheap. Retractable foils even more so. Than you still need the boat, motor, battery, etc.

I think the last time I looked into a foiling kitesurfing board, it was on the wrong side of $2000 and that is a small fixed foil designed to support ~250 lbs. I doubt scaling is entirely linear with supported weight but it's not a bad first cut. That puts fixed foils for that boat close to your price.
 
Retractable foils are a cost problem - good article.
I suspect fixed foils would be the approach. After all sailboats deal with keels.

good article.
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How Hydrofoils and Electric Engines Could Join Forces to Change the Future of Boating

The combination of electric motors and foils are showing up on all types of watercraft, from runabouts to surfboards to waterborne bicycles.
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Yamaha had this 3 decades ago.
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Yamaha engineers resurrect 32-year-old jetfighter-style hydrofoil

Hydrofoiling boats are by no means new. The first hydrofoil-related patent dates all the way back to 1898, and there are numerous photos of hydrofoiling boats zipping along from the early 1900s. But their eye-popping ability to rise up out of the water and glide along with minimal drag never fails…
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Short step from personal watercraft to larger runabouts.
Materials science has come a long way to make the foils support immense loads.
The exciting thing with EV is that it does not require huge industrial capacity to move forward...tinkers/makers delight.
 
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mimico_polak said:
Son of a b17@#….check engine light on the Volt this morning.

No wonder my remote start didn’t fire up.
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CEL on an EV?
Would this indicate low battery level, error in the charging system, brake fluid level low, coolant low?
EVs, due to the lack of moving components are thought to be less trouble-prone than ICE cars, no?
Or perhaps it was due to the season's first snow
 
Chris-CJ said:
CEL on an EV?
Would this indicate low battery level, error in the charging system, brake fluid level low, coolant low?
EVs, due to the lack of moving components are thought to be less trouble-prone than ICE cars, no?
Or perhaps it was due to the season's first snow
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It's a volt. He gets all the ev reasons and all the ice reasons for cel. Time to scan the codes and see what it is annoyed about.
 
Scuba Steve said:
Do you have a scanner hook it up may be minor

Sent from the future
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My buddy has one so I’ll go pick it up tomorrow.

I thought it was the gas cap. Took it off and retightened it 3 times in the morning. Light still on.

Went to move car after charging. Light still on.

Took cap off, inspected seal and retightened it again….light disappeared.

2hr (!!?? Wtf) drive home and light didn’t come on. Weird.
 
mimico_polak said:
My buddy has one so I’ll go pick it up tomorrow.

I thought it was the gas cap. Took it off and retightened it 3 times in the morning. Light still on.

Went to move car after charging. Light still on.

Took cap off, inspected seal and retightened it again….light disappeared.

2hr (!!?? Wtf) drive home and light didn’t come on. Weird.
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3 key cycles turned of light. Reason for light will be stored.
 
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