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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Those door handles at the 3:00 mark sure look flimsy ... 1 or 2 days during the past week I've had the doors on my Volt semi-iced shut in the morning such that I needed to give the door handle a good tug to get it to open. I can see these breaking in my hand ... assuming they even flip open in that same scenario.

Why the Mach-E and now this decided to re-invent the door handle leaves me shaking my head a bit.
 
LBV said:
Those door handles at the 3:00 mark sure look flimsy ... 1 or 2 days during the past week I've had the doors on my Volt semi-iced shut in the morning such that I needed to give the door handle a good tug to get it to open. I can see these breaking in my hand ... assuming they even flip open in that same scenario.

Why the Mach-E and now this decided to re-invent the door handle leaves me shaking my head a bit.
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Sunny is right about some things. Tesla was (and is) way out in front with most things EV. Other manufacturers are trying to copy Tesla on many fronts. Unfortunately, many things they are copying were dumb when Tesla did them and they are dumb now.
 
Those door handles are ridiculous...my buddy's Y is awesome, but I can't see those things being a good idea in any type of cold / snow / ice weather.

Sure it looks cool...but when you can't get into your car because the door handle freezes over....g'luck with that.
 
Brian P said:
Right now it's just a "discussion paper" which is "seeking input". This couldn't really be implemented at a dealer level, it would have to be at the manufacturer/distributor level at most, and even that would be a problem. Higher level than manufacturer level, i.e. industry-wide, the only way to do it is with a complicated crediting system that lets manufacturers doing more than their share sell credits to the ones that aren't pulling their weight. Also, just because the quota is published by the end of 2022 doesn't mean it has to take effect right away ... it could specify a phase-in period, which is highly likely to be necessary.

GM will be ok somewhere in the 2023 timeframe ... tooling is quietly being made production-ready for BT1XX and that's potentially huge volume. The Cadillac Lyriq will be out. The Bolts will be sorted out by then although those are a small piece of the puzzle. By the way, BT1XX is very different underneath from the standard T1XX - more than how the F150 Lightning differs from the regular one. I know nothing of what they're putting on top of that platform outside of the Hummer, which everyone knows about by now. I've only seen chassis and underpinnings bits. The next Chevrolet Equinox (or whatever it ends up being called) will have an all-electric version - that's potentially huge volume.

Ford will be ok because the F150 Lightning will get to full production by then. Hardly anything else matters.

Stellantis (FCA) is going to be late to the party (probably having to buy credits) but they do have a few things cooking. Haven't seen tooling ... there's rumours of an electric muscle car and an electric Ram pickup truck ... both are at least a couple years off.

Toyota is being dragged unwillingly into BEV production. There's what amounts to an electric version of a RAV4 which will be ready by then.

Subaru is building a copycat (platform-mate) of the Toyota.

Honda is probably screwed unless they carry on with making a platform-mate of a GM vehicle (e.g. Cadillac Lyriq). Their own attempt (the Honda e) is failing in the european market ... it isn't as good as, for example, the new electric Fiat 500 which is on the market there. Or the electric Mini.

Mazda is probably screwed unless they come up with something an awful lot better than their first attempt (which they might sell single-digits numbers of - maybe double-digits if they're lucky).

Mitsubishi is irrelevant.

Nissan will be ok.

VW, Audi, BMW, M-B will be fine.

The manufacturers that are screwed will have to buy credits from Tesla and Rivian.
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Heard that Mazda is coupling a small Rotary (Wankel motor) with the battery. Perhaps the Rotary will work as a generator rather than provide motive power.
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Heard that Mazda is coupling a small Rotary (Wankel motor) with the battery. Perhaps the Rotary will work as a generator rather than provide motive power.
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While cool, there are so many reasons that is a bad idea and the only good one I can see is marketing.
 
What appears to be a close-to-production-ready Tesla Cybertruck prototype has been spotted. Tesla Cybertruck caught testing and HOLY CRAP LOOK AT THAT HUGE WIPER

Worlds biggest windscreen wiper ... the shape of the vehicle doesn't give any place to hide it. Evidently the parking spot is the vertical orientation, no doubt to have the lesser impact on aero, but there's still going to be an impact on aero.

Has outside rear-view mirrors ... required by federal standards.

Has front and rear bumpers that project out beyond the body. Personally I think it looks way better for having done this. They blend in nicely with the wheel arches.

Has the marker lights front and rear that are required in the USA for a vehicle more than 80 inches wide. This thing is going to be wide. Awkward.

Headlights and taillights have been moved down to just above the bumper. The previous location was illegal (too high) in the front and impractical in the rear. This is a good change.

The windshield, hood, and front panel are subtly curved. Looks like someone has figured out that curved is better for strength and NVH than a flat panel. It's hard to tell in the photos given but I suspect the side panels are subtly curved, too. That has some implications. No more cutting out the body parts in a shear and bending them in a brake press! They'll have to be formed to shape, i.e. in a normal stamping press.

There's no wheel-arch intrusions in the cargo area. That basically just means the box has been narrowed to fit the wheel clearance. Can't tell in the photos if they have made any use of the space inside the fenders and around/above the wheel wells (like how some newer Ram pickups are). Even if they have done so, it reduces the flexibility that you have for using that space. The box will still be decently wide, but only because the vehicle as a whole is crazy wide. On the other hand, there is a visible hatch cover in the cargo floor - probably for covered storage (see Honda Ridgeline, Ford Maverick).

I strongly suspect the "exoskeleton" has morphed into being a more-conventional unibody, for crash and cost and NVH and weight and a bunch more reasons. I never grasped the difference between "exoskeleton" and "unibody" anyhow - I thought "unibody" from the moment "exoskeleton" was first mentioned.

Bare stainless-steel is near impossible to dent-repair. Maybe the exterior panels are thicker (read: heavier) to resist damage from hail and errant baseballs or rocks. Maybe they're normal thickness but bolt-on and easily replaceable (read: not part of the structure, therefore, heavier). Who knows. At least the inside and top rails around the box appear to be plastic/composite/coated/??.

I'm still not a fan ... but it is looking like a more roadworthy vehicle now.
 
Brian P said:
Worlds biggest windscreen wiper ... the shape of the vehicle doesn't give any place to hide it. Evidently the parking spot is the vertical orientation, no doubt to have the lesser impact on aero, but there's still going to be an impact on aero.
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I have a crisp Twenty here that says they'll be flying off on the freeway in significant numbers
 
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Looks like the Hummer EV is in the hands of the journalists. 2022 GMC Hummer EV Pickup Pros and Cons Review: A Wild, Wild Ride

I've never been a fan of this, although I understand why GM is doing it.

LOL at the cargo capacity.
LOL at the towing capacity.
LOL at the kerb weight.
LOL at the width.
LOL at the magnitude of suspension movement. (Citroen 2CV rival)
LOL (not so much, scared would be a better word) at having so much power on tap for something so big, and not having the tires and brakes to stop it. I foresee some of these being stuffed into the weeds in short order. I hope they don't take anyone else with them in the process.

I know the BT1XX tooling that we've seen is capable of much higher production volume than this is expected to sell (the electric Silverado is on the same platform). But I hope the EV Silverado is lighter, has more towing and cargo capacity, is narrower and lower, and either ditches the air suspension or has a firmer calibration.

At least the F150 Lightning is the same size and height as the normal F150 ...

I still like the Rivian more.
 
9000 lbs o_O
 
HarleyHare said:
Reviews say the Hyundai Ioniq is the potential short-term Tesla Model 3 beater. Until Tesla gets angry and comes back stronger. Great specs and range. Looks? Maybe not so hot? Futuristic looking, with pixel-looking rear and front lights in the sense it looks like a cousin of a DeLorean.
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Seeing the new Ioniq a few months ago, and hearing the specs...was one of the main reasons I decided it was time to move our own Ioniq - the i5 is a pretty damned impressive car for the money and I think it's going to depress the values on the older versions very rapidly.

It would be high on my list of replacement vehicles for my Volt when the time comes 4-5 years down the road and there's some i5's in the used market.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Seeing the new Ioniq a few months ago, and hearing the specs...was one of the main reasons I decided it was time to move our own Ioniq - the i5 is a pretty damned impressive car for the money and I think it's going to depress the values on the older versions very rapidly.

It would be high on my list of replacement vehicles for my Volt when the time comes 4-5 years down the road and there's some i5's in the used market.
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Since it's not a tesla, the battery will be damned near garbage and ready for the dump at that point. /s

Although I am sad to see the demise of ice, I am excited to see some of the new eve's coming out. At least one of out vehicles could easily be an ev if it made economic sense (and possibly both although trips to inlaws cottage could be a stretch at >300 km).
 
GreyGhost said:
Since it's not a tesla, the battery will be damned near garbage and ready for the dump at that point. /s

Although I am sad to see the demise of ice, I am excited to see some of the new eve's coming out. At least one of out vehicles could easily be an ev if it made economic sense (and possibly both although trips to inlaws cottage could be a stretch at >300 km).
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Perfect world right now is having one of each if longer road trips are a factor, best of both worlds and use each one where they do best. Sooner or later two EVs makes sense but.... or the Volt makes perfect sense in this context.

Just don't do it like my buddy, he is all in, wife is not. She has an ICE SUV he has an EV (newer Leaf). They do it backwards.... every long road trip (and they do a lot, all over the place) he insists on taking his EV and I am sure it works most-times but there is often lots of drama about charging including begging people to plug into their home 120v outdoor outlet more than a few times (when the pre-planned remote charging station was down). He likes the adventure, she is ready for a divorce.... Last time it happened he called me on speaker phone, I told him about these places that you can buy this liquid to make vehicles go, he was ****** his wife was killing herself laughing.
 
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Hahaha.

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Probably like the stupid videos where someone goes solo wakesurfing and falls and the boat keeps going. There is someone hiding in the car. Still very very dumb but odds are low that something horrible will happen in the 30 seconds the video is being made. Front window all the way down and dark tinted back windows closed looks a lot like a setup.

Maybe we should be thankful for autopilot in these situations? Only a few years ago, morons were making ghost-riding videos and in those nothing was in control. Auto-pilot is better than nothing. Attention whore morons are still morons but now it's a little safer.
 
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backmarkerducati said:
Just don't do it like my buddy, he is all in, wife is not.
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Thankfully my wife is all-in, and she loved the full BEV Ioniq as well. She did run out of battery once a few months after buying it and ended up on the side of the QEW waiting for a tow, but she did it once, and only once LOL.

All that said, we kept the Volt for the convenience on longer trips. It's a shame that GM has gave up on the "best of both worlds" PHEV's when other manufacturers are still firmly onboard. One of my wife's friends just bought a Prius Prime because she wanted the "electric when you can and gas when you need it" convenience she's come to understand having travelled with my wife in our Volts over the last few years. She would have bought a Volt had they still been making them.
 
It would be funny if it wasn't so bloody dangerous. An autonomous vehicle that only drives one route over and over at 20 km/h or less crashes into a tree on a clear day with dry pavement in Whitby.

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Autonomous shuttle servicing Whitby GO station crashes into tree, attendant injured

A Durham Regional Police spokesperson told CityNews it's still unclear why the vehicle left the Whitby road. He said the operator was critically injured.
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Maybe autonomous vehicles should be required to have 10' crumple zones?

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How does something moving at only 25kph result in such a serious injury to the operator?

And how does it get such poor range for that amount of kWh? That’s similar to a Gen2 Volt which at 25kph would literally get well over 100km on the same amount of energy.
 
PrivatePilot said:
How does something moving at only 25kph result in such a serious injury to the operator?

And how does it get such poor range for that amount of kWh? That’s similar to a Gen2 Volt which at 25kph would literally get well over 100km on the same amount of energy.
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Not much in the way of a crumple zone and tree is an immovable object.

As for range, probably government money vs private. You care about utility and value for money. Government cares about optics and greenwashing. Hence an autonomous vehicle to move a half dozen people that requires a full time attendant. It's hard to imagine a more expensive way to move people.
 
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