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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Ruh-Roh.


I just don't understand how it took this long. Allowing the public to beta test one of (if not the) first self-driving car system ... on public roads ... in the city ... that ain't legal either (paraphrasing the great walter sobchek, obviously). But my point stands: this shouldn't have been allowed in the first place

They swept it under the rug…..until the land missiles started smashing into stationary cops/first responders

But....but.....but...... Bolt battery fires!
 
Test-sat in a Chevrolet Bolt today. (Test drive, and just as importantly the test-fit in the driveway, is tomorrow.) Compared the outgoing to new models, too (GM dealer has one 2022 EUV and a few outgoing models)

Since this has been a point of criticism ... The seats. The bottom cushions are too flat, lack side bolstering, and the front does not extend far enough forward. BUT, I am coming from a car that (IMO and for a person of my shape and size) has best-in-class seats. Are the Bolt seats all that bad? IMO not really, they're probably "average" and I'm used to "good". I've had cars in the past with unremarkable seats, too. (I've unbolted seats from the floor pan and re-installed with washers under the front mounts to compensate for nonexistent seat bottom cushion angle adjustment. We can fix things if they need to be fixed.)

The base Bolt for 2022 (I think) has cloth seats. What they had in the showroom (one 2022 EUV and one 2021 regular but higher-trim Bolt) both had fake-leather seats, which were slippery. This might be a case where the cloth seats are better, kindasorta compensating for lack of side bolstering on the bottom cushion.

But that's the only negative that I've seen so far. I can "sit behind myself" (can't say that about my current car). Outward visibility is good. My head is just brushing the ceiling in the back seat, but that's okay. The trunk floor has a false floor that you can either install in the bottom against the actual trunk floor to get a deep trunk, or you can install it level with the bottom of the hatch opening with a hidden compartment underneath.

The 2022 Bolt EUV has even more rear seat room, which I don't need. The driver's area (and seats) are identical between the 2022 regular Bolt and the EUV ... GM claims that they've improved the seats; if there is a difference (aside from trim), I would need it pointed out to me. They're still no match for the excellent (front) seats in my Fiat 500.

The floor of the car is higher than what I'm used to ... the battery is under there. Not really an issue, just an observation.

If it's okay to drive and fits decently in the driveway (still allowing me to sneak a motorcycle in and out of the garage) I'm probably going to go for it. And that brings up the next oddity ... pricing.

The first model year was 2017. The battery-pack changeover year was 2019, the 2019 is evidently the fire problem (dealer has a lease-return 2019 that they can't sell because of the recall situation), the newer ones have higher battery capacity and are thus more desirable, and the 2022 comes along with a big MSRP price reduction, leading to an odd situation in which the 2021 regular Bolt that they have in the showroom has a substantially higher sticker price than the 2022 EUV sitting right beside it, and the used-car asking-prices for 2020 and 2021 Bolts is at or above what was on the window sticker for that 2022 EUV and we haven't even talked about EV incentives yet.

Used 2017 - 2018 Bolts seem to be $23k - $26k depending on mileage and condition but those have the smaller battery pack (and still have pending recalls). Part of the deal with the 2022 model is not only the price reduction but GM is also throwing in installation of a charging station at your home. This might be a situation where it makes more sense to just buy (or lease) a new one ...

At the moment this is just mildly-serious pondering. It may yet turn out that I don't like the way the car drives, or maybe the driveway-space situation will be too tight (I'm concerned about the width). Or maybe it just makes sense to drive my current car into the ground (there's a small amount left owing on the loan).

The peanut gallery can skip the suggestions to buy a Tesla. Too expensive, too long, and too wide (aside from other issues). The Kona EV is only available in greyscale and I have never bought a car that was a non-colour and don't intend to start now. The ID4 is too long and too wide (and I don't particularly care for how it looks - I like the Bolt more). The MachE is too long and too wide. There's reason behind currently driving a Fiat 500 and that reason could still scuttle this deal - the Bolt is going to be a much closer fit in the parking space available for it. Won't be an EUV ... it's longer, and in my case, that's a bad thing.
 
Let us know how it goes. The seats are notoriously a low point on the Bolt, it's probably hands down the biggest complaint I see, more so for people driving longer distances.

But performance will put a smile on your face. It's like driving a street legal go-cart that accelerates like a bat out of hell.
 
Let us know how it goes. The seats are notoriously a low point on the Bolt, it's probably hands down the biggest complaint I see, more so for people driving longer distances.

But performance will put a smile on your face. It's like driving a street legal go-cart that accelerates like a bat out of hell.
Any swaps possible? With modern parts bin engineering, I wouldn't be too surprised if you could bolt in seats from a Corvette.

Seats are a low point on my current car. They stuck you with "comfort seats" unless you bought the top trim to get "sport" seats. Huge difference. I vastly prefer the sport seats. There was no way in hell I was paying >7K to jump trim levels and get the seats. Comfort are ok but make me sad everytime I get in the car (five hour drive today, feel fine, just not as good as the sport seats).
 
Seems that there was an unadvertised change to the seats in 2018: These People Own a Chevy Bolt and Here Is Their Verdict On The Much Talked About Seats | Torque News

GM claims the 2022 seats are better, even if they don't appear much different. Perhaps ... and that's another thing that is tilting me towards getting a new one. GM Overhauls Seats In 2022 Chevy Bolt EV, Bolt EUV

Beyond that ... Things can be done.



My brief test-sit they didn't seem *that* bad, the bottom cushions just lack side bolstering. The video in the thread above addresses the opposite of my complaint ... he shoved more foam into the middle/rear part of the seat, thus leaving even less side bolstering.

In a previous vehicle that didn't adequately support my legs (and didn't have angle adjustment for the bottom cushions - most non-premium cars don't have that adjustment), I unbolted the front of the seat tracks, shoved a few washers in there to space up the front of the seat tracks, and bolted them back down (with longer bolts). That's likely what I would do here. Easy and completely reversible.
 
Found another thread with more details on adding extra foam to the seat bottoms. This might be the way to go, because the shape of what's put in can be tailored to suit. Putting these here for future reference Howto: Adding more padding to front seats - Page 4 - Chevrolet Bolt EV Forum

I'm glad I posted this and got prompted to do some digging. The seat-comfort issue, if it's an issue (seems that not all people have a problem with them), appears pretty easily solvable. (So, GM, why haven't you done it? but that's quite another matter ...)
 
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unless you are in dire need of an electric car now. Other than a Tesla, I'd still wait.

there are a compelling number of electrics coming in the next 2 model years.

The bolt is last gen already with GM abandoning the BEV platform fully very soon.
 
With such a miniscule fire %, I'd personally consider that 2019 they can't sell if you can get it in for that battery replacement recall soon.

Can you park & charge it outside? That's what I do with my Volt.

Any idea what they're asking for it? Post a link to it if you can.
 
With such a miniscule fire %, I'd personally consider that 2019 they can't sell if you can get it in for that battery replacement recall soon.

Can you park & charge it outside? That's what I do with my Volt.

Any idea what they're asking for it? Post a link to it if you can.
The problem is the potential repair. They started with only charging to 80% but they were still burning. If GM says the final fix is only charging to 50% or eliminating DC charging, that ruins the car for him. Even if the cars outside, it would be close to other vehicles and a battery fire is hot. You may not lose the house but it will be messed up. Everything else in the driveway will likely be toast.
 
The problem is the potential repair. They started with only charging to 80% but they were still burning. If GM says the final fix is only charging to 50% or eliminating DC charging, that ruins the car for him. Even if the cars outside, it would be close to other vehicles and a battery fire is hot. You may not lose the house but it will be messed up. Everything else in the driveway will likely be toast.
GM has come out with something a day ago that replaces the whole battery (or bad modules in it).

"A recent report on Electrek stated that GM has already contacted some Chevrolet Bolt EV owners to replace all the modules in their battery packs."

 
GM has come out with something a day ago that replaces the whole battery (or bad modules in it).

"A recent report on Electrek stated that GM has already contacted some Chevrolet Bolt EV owners to replace all the modules in their battery packs."

I don’t think they had much choice at this stage. Otherwise there would be lawsuits.
 
And GM is giving 8 yr battery warranty on the replacement units ... if I was looking for a used Bolt, I'd be hunting those 2017-19 ones down as they'll be very well-priced at the moment (not withstanding the crazy used car prices).
 
GM has come out with something a day ago that replaces the whole battery (or bad modules in it).

"A recent report on Electrek stated that GM has already contacted some Chevrolet Bolt EV owners to replace all the modules in their battery packs."

But is that the final fix or just the next one? Everything they have tried so far has failed. I would think this should work but they seem to be having trouble with a root cause (either they can't find it or they don't want to say what it is).
 
But is that the final fix or just the next one? Everything they have tried so far has failed. I would think this should work but they seem to be having trouble with a root cause (either they can't find it or they don't want to say what it is).
They're replacing the battery with a new one ... you can't get more of a final fix than that, right?
 
They're replacing the battery with a new one ... you can't get more of a final fix than that, right?
If they don't know why the first batch is bad, who says the replacement is better? It may just be different. Lots of companies part swap until warranties expire as it's cheaper than re-engineering and producing parts that last and are fit for purpose.
 
Some manufacturing issue at LG Chem with the tabs in some of the battery cells as I recall.

You can bet LG Chem has double & triple-checked their processes to prevent a repeat.
 
Some manufacturing issue at LG Chem with the tabs in some of the battery cells as I recall.

You can bet LG Chem has double & triple-checked their processes to prevent a repeat.
You would be surprised…..

we have components coming in that have allegedly been GP 12 - 100% checked before shipping them out. We’re still rejecting them for the same issue. The % is very low but my point is the checks are only as good as the person checking them.
 

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