Tried this. Definitely made a difference.
Used a little bit of fuel during preconditioning then 20km to work without ERDTT at -21C
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Tried this. Definitely made a difference.
Used a little bit of fuel during preconditioning then 20km to work without ERDTT at -21C
I was going months with the 2014 ... I can see myself needing just 1 tankful for the year with the 2017 unless these polar vortex are more frequent. 2 tanks max.
On the topic of fillups, I forgot to post this - this was the sum total of 2018 for me. I reset it on January 1st 2018, and again on Jan 1'st 2019.
This includes a 1700KM trip to and from Baltimore which was done basically 100% on gas - about 100L worth, having looked back through my logs. Excluding that trip I would have ended the year somewhere significantly below 1L/100KM. Edit: I just calculated it, it would have been 0.81L/100KM.
This includes a 1700KM trip to and from Baltimore which was done basically 100% on gas - about 100L worth, having looked back through my logs. Excluding that trip I would have ended the year somewhere significantly below 1L/100KM. Edit: I just calculated it, it would have been 0.81L/100KM.
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I can reset that lifetime number for You if you want. 
(I have the GM scantool hardware and software to enable /disable other options as well...)
(I have the GM scantool hardware and software to enable /disable other options as well...)
Iceman
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That's impressive. That's only 4 tanks of fuel in my Odyssey, which would give me close to 2500km. Ouch.On the topic of fillups, I forgot to post this - this was the sum total of 2018 for me. I reset it on January 1st 2018, and again on Jan 1'st 2019.
This includes a 1700KM trip to and from Baltimore which was done basically 100% on gas - about 100L worth, having looked back through my logs. Excluding that trip I would have ended the year somewhere significantly below 1L/100KM. Edit: I just calculated it, it would have been 0.81L/100KM.
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I've used it on the days it was -20 and it worked then too.
Mad Mike
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By my math you would have used about $636 in energy: $295 in gas (at an average of $1.13/l) and $360 in electricity (.150kwh/km @.14/kwh). A Cruze that achieved 6.9km/100l would have cost $1560 to fuel, so the Volt saved $923 in fuel costs over 20,000km.On the topic of fillups, I forgot to post this - this was the sum total of 2018 for me. I reset it on January 1st 2018, and again on Jan 1'st 2019.
This includes a 1700KM trip to and from Baltimore which was done basically 100% on gas - about 100L worth, having looked back through my logs. Excluding that trip I would have ended the year somewhere significantly below 1L/100KM. Edit: I just calculated it, it would have been 0.81L/100KM.
If you bought a basic 2019 Cruze, you would be out the door today for $23502. An equivalently equipped Volt would be $48093 out the door. If you were evaluating a new Volt purchase today using today's gas prices, , you would need to drive the car about 34 years (until 2053) to break even.
I'm sure your economics were better as you probably got a subsidy or bought the car used. The reality today is a Volt cannot provide an economic advantage over a Cruze under any conceivable circumstances.
There's other intrinsic factors, depending on where/when you drive. Time is money. Free time is priceless. And stopped in the passing lane on the 403 @ 8am you're getting zero MPG.
Yes, both Volts were bought used, one for $13,900 and the second for $12,900.
Since I bought the Volts purely for the cost saving potential (no, I'm not a massive tree hugger, and although I'm environmentally conscious on a basic level it didn't weigh in this purchase decision) I did look at the cost of comparable econoboxes at that point in time.
What did I find? A comparably equipped Cruze....wasn't that much cheaper.
Then (as FullMoto touches on) there are other things of value. Not visiting a gas station for 6 months last summer was pretty cool. Being able to drive in the carpool lanes all by myself, ditto. The heating system heats up faster in the winter and the AC takes virtually no energy to run in the summer. When you're using neither and stuck in traffic you're pretty much using 0 energy vs an engine running for nothing.
And yeah, EV's are just more fun to drive - ask anyone who owns one.
I'm quite aware of the fact that, from a purely money saving perspective, buying a new EV doesn't make financial sense under most or all scenarios, but thats' most certainly not the case in the used market.
And for those who are doing it for environmental purposes, to give the middle finger to the oil companies, to avoid supporting Saudi Arabia, to never need to visit a gas station ever again, just enjoy driving an extremely spirited car, or one of the many other very real reasons, often the financials aren't the deciding factor. If they were, everybody would be driving a Cruze instead of a premium brand vehicle.
slowbird
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Impressive fuel numbers.
With my level 1 charger at home, and work not letting any of us plug into any outlet here at work my numbers aren't so good. I'm having bad luck with Public chargers too. They are usually full or blocked lately.
Still...my savings are much better than my previous car, but nothing mind shattering like I used to get.
On these past super cold days the car wouldn't even let me use whatever battery power I had left until the car warmed up sufficiently which would be about 3/4 of the way home. I once saw 10+L/100kms on my 22km drive home one cold cold morning.
With my level 1 charger at home, and work not letting any of us plug into any outlet here at work my numbers aren't so good. I'm having bad luck with Public chargers too. They are usually full or blocked lately.
Still...my savings are much better than my previous car, but nothing mind shattering like I used to get.
On these past super cold days the car wouldn't even let me use whatever battery power I had left until the car warmed up sufficiently which would be about 3/4 of the way home. I once saw 10+L/100kms on my 22km drive home one cold cold morning.
Doesn't one also have to similarly appoint a Cruze to match the offerings coming with a base Volt to make this apples to apples?
From just a quick build and price on chevy's website, you'd have to spend somewhere in the neighbourhood of 28K-30K to kit out a Cruze that's comparable to the base Volt.
Some stats since the car was purchased (less than a year ago)
Total KM: 17964km
Cost spent charging at home: $293.35 (charged the rest for free at work or public chargers)
Cost spent on gas: $35 (33L purchased in November)
Total $: $328
90% of this is stop and go / city driving and by stop and go I mean drive, stop for 30m-1hr, drive for 5-10m, repeat (in home client visits).
A similarly appointed cruze may get 6.9L/100km on the hwy but probably not in a similar situation to above where the car would cool down over 30m/1hr time period between drives. Even if it did and my math is right it'd cost approx $1400 (1239L at $1.13$/L) in fuel.
Volt cost: $328
Cruze cost: $1400 (using 6.9L/100km)
When it came to purchasing, a similarly appointed Cruze ($28k) wasn't much cheaper than the price I got the Volt for ($31k). Saving over 1k/year in fuel means the car will cover the difference between it and a Cruze within 2.5 years, at most 3 years. After that it's all savings and I plan to keep the car until its dead.
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What are the extras the base Volt comes with compared to the base Cruze?
Probably things like automatic climate control heated steering wheel etc. The cruise LT we had as a rental definitely did not compare to the volt for driving experience never felt nearly as nice.
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Rear camera, 8" touchscreen, keyless entry/remote start/push button start, leather and heated rear seats. I think.
Base cruze was a manual in 2018, 2019 doesn't offer manual but a 2019 configured the way the base volt is (still no keyless entry or keyless start) is $24,500 + tax. About 28k after taxes and what not, I walked out the door with the Volt for $31,000 (13k rebate) so at the time it was a great deal.
slowbird
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Another thing to compare is the lack of regular maintenance the Volt needs compared to a normal car like the Cruze. Oil changes and Brakes the biggest two. Lots of money saved there.
Having said that I had a Cruze rental for a couple weeks, and though I hated the need to fill up like a normie again, and the trnasmission hunting for gears, the Cruze had much more comfortable seats with better range of adjustment. I also enjoyed the Moonroof and the top end power on the highway which the Volt lacks quite a bit.
Having said that I had a Cruze rental for a couple weeks, and though I hated the need to fill up like a normie again, and the trnasmission hunting for gears, the Cruze had much more comfortable seats with better range of adjustment. I also enjoyed the Moonroof and the top end power on the highway which the Volt lacks quite a bit.
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