wandering_bandit
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Condolences and peace to the family.
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Another young rider died near 400 and hwy 7
- Thread starter RR929
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I've been riding for close to 28 years, starting with a dr100 at Gopher Dunes when I was 12 (probably hit half the trees on the trails with that bad boy), and even to this day, I've dropped out of group rides with very close friends that were just going a bit out of my comfort zone(it was mostly due to weather conditions).
Anyone who gets into riding, or hell, been riding for awhile should tape a picture of something important to their handle bars and anytime your tempted to push yourself, take a long look at the picture(well, not too long if you're riding), and determine if trying to appear "cool" in front of a bunch of 2-wheeled strangers is worth never seeing the thing in that picture again.
The one thing I think that this online community could do is try to moderate the group ride section. I've seen a few postings looking for "only fast riders". All it takes is some newer rider to see one of those and decide they want to give it a try and they end up being that rider left behind..in more ways than one.
Anyone who gets into riding, or hell, been riding for awhile should tape a picture of something important to their handle bars and anytime your tempted to push yourself, take a long look at the picture(well, not too long if you're riding), and determine if trying to appear "cool" in front of a bunch of 2-wheeled strangers is worth never seeing the thing in that picture again.
The one thing I think that this online community could do is try to moderate the group ride section. I've seen a few postings looking for "only fast riders". All it takes is some newer rider to see one of those and decide they want to give it a try and they end up being that rider left behind..in more ways than one.
So - Censorship? We're accused of that enough, as it stands right now!
Seen and heard of it happen many times also. But, ultimately, it is their own choice whether to go on such a ride. (I never do; I need my driver's license.)
Roomie
Banned
If more people that were new on a bike like that would only have your attitude :thumbup:
Too many invincible people out there. I had a friend out with me yesterday who put her cbr 250 in the weeds. Wrong speed, wrong corner etc etc. She rode home so it could have been a lot worse. All I said to her all day was "ride at your own speed and comfort level" She had an experienced friend in the lead and me behind her. We didn't go more than 10 over the limit for the entire ride. All I could think of was two things. One, thank god she wears proper gear as the bike landed right on her ankle. Two, at least she chose to learn the smart way. Her second words (first ones being owww owww owww *sob*) were to look at me and say "thanks for talking me out of a bike like yours, that could have been ugly. While I'm no professional by any stretch it felt good to know that at least someone listened to me at some point.
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Simple tips to prevent this from happening:
1. Leaders who are mature and competent
2. Stop making fun of 250's so a noob doesn't feel pressure to get a sixer
Out of everyone I've met on a bike, I can say about 90% of them are mature, responsible and respectful. But there are always a few that you can tell right off the bat, have a limited riding career. The best thing to do is not ride with them.
I'll provide an example and maybe he's on here:
we went on a group ride in APRIL (aka cold) stop off at a spot to meet up with others and a kid from my old highschool pulls up with his pal on a cbr600, sneakers, no gloves (in april) - when asked how long he's had it, he replied that this is his first. As soon as he pulled up the rest of us looked at each other and shook our heads and decided right there that we weren't going to ride with them. It was a good decision because he stalled it twice pulling away from the lot - then redlined onto the street and screamed off.
1. Leaders who are mature and competent
2. Stop making fun of 250's so a noob doesn't feel pressure to get a sixer
Out of everyone I've met on a bike, I can say about 90% of them are mature, responsible and respectful. But there are always a few that you can tell right off the bat, have a limited riding career. The best thing to do is not ride with them.
I'll provide an example and maybe he's on here:
we went on a group ride in APRIL (aka cold) stop off at a spot to meet up with others and a kid from my old highschool pulls up with his pal on a cbr600, sneakers, no gloves (in april) - when asked how long he's had it, he replied that this is his first. As soon as he pulled up the rest of us looked at each other and shook our heads and decided right there that we weren't going to ride with them. It was a good decision because he stalled it twice pulling away from the lot - then redlined onto the street and screamed off.
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Deleted member 40275
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Mine would be a picture of my bike........
Come on..it's the internet. If you're not being accused of something, you're not using it right!
Perhaps "moderate" is the wrong word.."discourage" might be better.I taped a condom to my windshield....I've heard sex when you're dead sucks!
Was this actually a "Group Ride" or a case of a group of riders heading over to another venue? I have been at a lot of cases where we riders meet somewhere (say Bagle Boys) and after a while a group hops on their bikes and heads for ice cream. If that is the type of thing i wouldn't think of it as a "Group R that has aleader and someone running sweep.
..Tom
..Tom
lol reminds me of the song "Come to me"
"come to me, your breath smells like, come to me" something like that........
It's known that the rider in question was traveling with a few others and they were on the way to Leslie and Lakeshore.
AL3RT
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I agree with the point.
Group riding can be both - fun and safe.
However, this gets achieved by taking care of each other.
- meet as a group
- go for a ride a as group
- arrive as a group
And those individuals who can't wait to stunt their pants off while putting all others at risk must be expelled once and for all.
I see the group leaders get blamed for accidents that happen behind them all the time.
The group leader has control of his own throttle, and no other.
It is the responsibility of all who follow to control his or her throttle.
On our group rides, we do post on this site. We post that we do not want inexperienced riders on our group rides.
We repeat such warnings over and over.
Incredibly, each year, we get people who have over 500km under their belts, claiming that they will be fine on the ride because they have plenty of experience. Even after repeatedly being told that more experience is needed, they still need to show up on our rides.
Nothing can be done to keep them away.
Each ride we would have a talk about how the riders are to conduct themselves.
To ride under control, not to take risks, to rider with proper etiquette. And not to take corners faster than they can ride, not to be worried, that they will be left behind, because they do not know the route. We will, willingly wait for them to catch up. Not to ride over their heads, we will wait for them at the end of the road.
What happens?
There is only so much a group leader can do.
Stop blaming the group leader for crashes that happen behind him.
The group leader has control of his own throttle, and no other.
It is the responsibility of all who follow to control his or her throttle.
On our group rides, we do post on this site. We post that we do not want inexperienced riders on our group rides.
We repeat such warnings over and over.
Incredibly, each year, we get people who have over 500km under their belts, claiming that they will be fine on the ride because they have plenty of experience. Even after repeatedly being told that more experience is needed, they still need to show up on our rides.
Nothing can be done to keep them away.
Each ride we would have a talk about how the riders are to conduct themselves.
To ride under control, not to take risks, to rider with proper etiquette. And not to take corners faster than they can ride, not to be worried, that they will be left behind, because they do not know the route. We will, willingly wait for them to catch up. Not to ride over their heads, we will wait for them at the end of the road.
What happens?
There is only so much a group leader can do.
Stop blaming the group leader for crashes that happen behind him.
I can't even imagine taking a new rider on a "GROUP" ride. Just doesn't make sense to me. I have a friend that just got in to riding. We took her to the parking lot 2x to practice technique. On the second parking lot day she rode the bike home (4 blocks away) with a lead and a sweeper. Today we took her out for a few hours ... rode to the closest Tim Horton's, talked about what she needed to think about (again with a lead and a sweeper, never going over the speed limit). Then rode a little longer to another Tim's, talked again. Then a further Tim's etc, etc, etc. She's feeling really good and safe on the bike. She doesn't have to worry about "where are the signals, stalling the bike, sloppy/slow turns at a signal light" ... she's covered until she starts to feel a little more confident and has a solid lead to follow with respect to her line on a turn ... it takes time to get there. As a "NEW" rider there is a lot to process from mechanical to technique to awareness ... how on earth is a newbie supposed to deal with all of that in a group ride when there are too many riders at various levels, trying to keep up, no riding etiquette yet, no experience ... I don't get it.
I think if you're going to help someone ... take the time to do it safely so it's not overwhelming.
My sincere condolences to the family of this young man ... so very sad
I think if you're going to help someone ... take the time to do it safely so it's not overwhelming.
My sincere condolences to the family of this young man ... so very sad
ddusseld
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