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An answer to tailgaiters?

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Most drivers don't realize exactly how close they are to bikes when following them, they arent intentionally tailgating. Also when riding the bike I find it easy to tailgate. It'd be awesome if car drivers started throwing ball bearings and spark plugs at bikers who were riding their ***.
 
My version:

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If you look carefully, you'll also see a camera mount on top of the box. Here's an example of the video you get from it, oddly enough showing an idiot tailgater whose front bumper was actually under my top box, on several occasions.

[video=youtube_share;B7RhgWMGttk]http://youtu.be/B7RhgWMGttk[/video]

I thought people like him might back off a little if my eye-level brake light was searing out their retinas, which should be a real possibility when used in conjunction with this:

[video=youtube;z135-WAu7OU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z135-WAu7OU[/video]
 
DoubleJ said:
Nuts, bolts, old spark plugs work!
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I like this idea, because people don't want things hitting their cars. This is pretty much a sure way at getting most people to back off.
 
DoubleJ said:
Nuts, bolts, old spark plugs work!
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frekeyguy said:
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jeffjones said:
How does this work for different sized vehicles?
Also be prepared for an insurance claim on your behalf if you were to use it and they rear-ended you?

Also I will admit I was tailgating a Jeep once (Going way under the speed limit side by side with another car) and he had a row of fog lights on his roof facing backwards and when he turned them on I couldn't see a thing lol.

Made me back off.
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daisoman said:
Anyone remember the game road rash?
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Stewart said:
thats my trick, i use those and ball bearings. this works really well. through their grill or off the windshield,it gets the point across. great post
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Ninja10kid said:
I have a 2.1 watt 445 mm laser under my tail hooked to my horn button. The lense is set out of focus enough that it won't cause permanent vision damage but it is enoughvto make them back off and stay back
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omega8 said:
I like this idea, because people don't want things hitting their cars. This is pretty much a sure way at getting most people to back off.
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Nothing says "BUMP ME and take off" quite like escalation. None of you are on the police force I hope and pray.

I slow down and then turn around and look for a second when it is safe to do so. Like caboose483 says, most people then realize that they are too close and either pass or back off.
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Rob MacLennan said:
If you look carefully, you'll also see a camera mount on top of the box. Here's an example of the video you get from it, oddly enough showing an idiot tailgater whose front bumper was actually under my top box, on several occasions.

[video=youtube_share;B7RhgWMGttk]http://youtu.be/B7RhgWMGttk[/video]

I thought people like him might back off a little if my eye-level brake light was searing out their retinas, which should be a real possibility when used in conjunction with this:

[video=youtube;z135-WAu7OU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z135-WAu7OU[/video]
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I believe you are exaggerating. I couldn't see him under your topbox at all. He was close when you stopped, but it looked like the guy behind him was even closer to him. The truck was also riding right down the line at one point. He was also giving you lots of room when you were starting off and moving. Don't forget that his position in the car, allows him to see wide open space past you if you are on the right side of the passing (aka slow) lane. I like to move into the right hand lane, when things are crowded like that. It puts you and your bike in people's faces, when they get close, and it's much easier to get off and find a faster route. It's not that difficult to manage vehicles merging into your lane.
 
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omega8 said:
I like this idea, because people don't want things hitting their cars. This is pretty much a sure way at getting most people to back off.
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As others have noted, do this and don't be surprised when you get checked into the boards.
 
Baggsy said:
I believe you are exaggerating. I couldn't see him under your topbox at all. He was close when you stopped, but it looked like the guy behind him was even closer to him. The truck was also riding right down the line at one point. He was also giving you lots of room when you were starting off and moving. Don't forget that his position in the car, allows him to see wide open space past you if you are on the right side of the passing (aka slow) lane. I like to move into the right hand lane, when things are crowded like that. It puts you and your bike in people's faces, when they get close, and it's much easier to get off and find a faster route. It's not that difficult to manage vehicles merging into your lane.
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If I'm exaggerating, then it's not by a lot. He was far too close. Keep in mind that this is a wide angle (135 degree viewing angle) camera. Take the apparent distance and divide it by 2, and you'll be pretty close to the actual distance to the target. If the top box didn't slope away to the rear, it would appear at the bottom of the video.

That was the beginning of one file, from my camera, and the guy had been behind me for most of the length of the 427 North. It was just easier to crop off the beginning of one file, than to cut off the end of another. He kept swinging to the left, as if he was going to pass me, at which point I moved closer to the centre of the lane.

As to him seeing wide open space ahead of me, there was none. Apparently my reflexes were significantly better than his and when the traffic ahead of me moved, so did I.

Here are a couple of stills, from the previous file:
 

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I'm not arguing that he's not way too close, he is.
When I learned to drive, the rule of thumb was to be able to see where the vehicle in front's rear tires touched the pavement. This was on the big older cars, mind you. That would be 1 1/2+ car lengths with today's puny cars.

Regarding him seeing open space. It's because you're in front of the passenger's seat and not the driver's. It gives the illusion that he has more room than he has. That's why he's moving to the left when he gets too close.

Te issue in today's traffic is that if he gives the correct amount of space to totally protect you if he's hit from behind, then some loonely toon will cut into the open space from the right and come even closer or take you out.
 
Griffin said:
Good to know but, it's not likely (is it possible?) that you're going to be arrested for an HTA offence.
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I would like to hear OpenGambit or another person with formal legal training speak to this, as I have no such training and may be completely wrong, but my understanding is that you are "under arrest" when stopped for an offence such as speeding, but released upon the officer having served you with an offence notice. At least that's how I interpret section 149 of The Provincial Offences Act.

As to obtaining evidence, no warrant is necessary for items that are in plain sight.
 
Except if you're in Rob's situation you'd need to be in the
right most lane for that.
 
Baggsy said:
Except if you're in Rob's situation you'd need to be in the
right most lane for that.
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Or take to the breakdown lane, which is illegal. If traffic had actually come to a complete stop for more than a couple of seconds, at a time, I'd have gone back to have a short discussion with the gentleman in question. As it was the ol' eyeless stare back at him had absolutely no effect.

Unfortunately I lost so much time in traffic because of that jam, that my camera died at the point where I would have gotten video of another idiot, who was maybe 4 metres off my rear wheel at 100 Kmh, on the ramp from 401 west to 410 north shortly after that.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
I would like to hear OpenGambit or another person with formal legal training speak to this, as I have no such training and may be completely wrong, but my understanding is that you are "under arrest" when stopped for an offence such as speeding, but released upon the officer having served you with an offence notice. At least that's how I interpret section 149 of The Provincial Offences Act. As to obtaining evidence, no warrant is necessary for items that are in plain sight.
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You can't be arrested for simple s.128 speeding by itself. You can however be briefly detained for cause, which falls short of actual arrest in both duration and extent of injury to the rights of the person being detained. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/charter_digest/s-9.html

The HTA does define offences that you can be arrested for, whether by cop or by anyone at all, depending on circumstances. And once under arrests, then you become eligible for all sorts of intrusive measures, starting with searches of your person and your vehicle.
Arrests without warrant
217. (2) Any police officer who, on reasonable and probable grounds, believes that a contravention of any of the provisions of subsection 9 (1), subsection 12 (1), subsection 13 (1), subsection 33 (3), subsection 47 (5), (6), (7) or (8), section 51, 53, subsection 106 (8.2), section 130, 172 or 184, subsection 185 (3), clause 200 (1) (a) or subsection 216 (1) has been committed, may arrest, without warrant, the person he or she believes committed the contravention. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 217 (2); 1993, c. 40, s. 8; 2009, c. 5, s. 55.

Arresting on view
(3) Every person may arrest without warrant any person whom he or she finds committing any such contravention. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 217 (3).

Arrest without warrant for contravention of subs. 177 (2)
(3.1) A police officer who believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person has contravened subsection 177 (2) may arrest the person without warrant if,
(a) before the alleged contravention of subsection 177 (2), the police officer directed the person not to engage in activity that contravenes that subsection; or
(b) the police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that it is necessary to arrest the person without warrant in order to establish the identity of the person or to prevent the person from continuing or repeating the contravention. 1999, c. 8, s. 7 (2).​


Detaining vehicle when arrest is made
(4) A police officer or officer appointed for carrying out the provisions of this Act, making an arrest without warrant, may detain the motor vehicle with which the offence was committed until the final disposition of any prosecution under this Act or under the Criminal Code (Canada), but the motor vehicle may be released on security for its production being given to the satisfaction of a justice of the peace or judge. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 217 (4).

Exceptions to release of motor vehicle
(4.1) A motor vehicle shall not be released under subsection (4) if it was removed, stored, detained or impounded pursuant to any provision of this Act other than subsection (4) of this section. 2007, c. 13, s. 24.
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i dont get what you do with the nuts, spark plugs etc etc..
do you throw them on the ground? I can't imagine turning your back around to throw these things at the car behind you... how long has this been a "thing" to do?

as for me, i'm with most people where i let the jerk go ahead of me. if they're in a rush let them take the lead and be the first to get pulled over by the cops. If the person is being super annoying i slow down to just less than the speed limit. I'm in no rush and the passing lane doesn't mean you can go faster than the speed limit so i'm within HTA to keep where I'm at. The fact that I speed up on the passing lane is my courtesy to the ones behind me who are doing it right. If you give me the space, should we need to stop there's enough room that we wont crash, then i'll speed up.

But for the most part you should just let them pass. If they're not paying attention to how close they are to you, then they're not paying too much attention to what's going on in general and have become a road hazard that should be avoided. The hardest thing to do on the road is to 'woosa' and let karma kick them in the butt. =)

wow. this site site is like super G rated. I have to use the word 'butt' and not the other word for 'donkey'.
 
All sorts of HTA offenses allow for an arrest authority, careless driving and of course, the dreaded 172 are the biggest two that come to mind. Criminal driving offenses may also be available which would allow for arrest. As for seizing the camera, if it is believed that the camera could contain evidence of the offense then it can be seized without warrant in order to prevent the destruction of the evidence (deleting the video / images). To view its contents would require a warrant. The severity of the offense would dictate if that avenue would be utilized.
 
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yellowlemon said:
i dont get what you do with the nuts, spark plugs etc etc..
do you throw them on the ground? I can't imagine turning your back around to throw these things at the car behind you... how long has this been a "thing" to do?

as for me, i'm with most people where i let the jerk go ahead of me. if they're in a rush let them take the lead and be the first to get pulled over by the cops. If the person is being super annoying i slow down to just less than the speed limit. I'm in no rush and the passing lane doesn't mean you can go faster than the speed limit so i'm within HTA to keep where I'm at. The fact that I speed up on the passing lane is my courtesy to the ones behind me who are doing it right. If you give me the space, should we need to stop there's enough room that we wont crash, then i'll speed up.

But for the most part you should just let them pass. If they're not paying attention to how close they are to you, then they're not paying too much attention to what's going on in general and have become a road hazard that should be avoided. The hardest thing to do on the road is to 'woosa' and let karma kick them in the butt. =)

wow. this site site is like super G rated. I have to use the word 'butt' and not the other word for 'donkey'.
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They toss them back, over their shoulders, in hopes of taking out the windscreen of the following vehicle. Some people seem to think that the remedy to a traffic infraction is to place themselves in the position where they can actually be arrested.
 
PEOPLE DO THIS?? Woaah~ and I thought I was bad for wanting to mount a paintball gun...
Seriously dont do this people! Those scraps become projectiles again when cars go over them. I dont want stuff like that hitting me while I'm on the road... I've experienced a small rock flying from the tyre of a truck hitting my car's windshield leaving a pretty bad chip. And that was just a small rock hitting a windshield. I don't want to imagine what it would be like if it was a spark plug or ball bearing hitting my visor or chest. There's enough debris and hazards on the road, dont add to it.

Anybody remember the guy who rode through a fishing line tied tree to tree across the road last year and took a hard fall?
One man's revenge becomes a bystander/innocent man's injury.
People, we should be better than the idiots who put us in harm's way or else we're no better than the idiots.
 
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