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Mad Mike said:
I see nothing wrong with Musk's approach. Find the toughest most dedicated people, pay them whatever it takes and you will get results. I spent a lot of years in high tech, there was always a few who produced the work of 5, and were paid double.

If I could have found more, I too would have cut down.

But Unicorns are hard to find, and harder to manage.
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agreed. from everyone in tech that I have spoken to, twitter the platform and the app is not complex in any way and does not require even close to the amount of staff they had on hand to develop and maintain.
majority of the staff there are not needed for the main functions. he's cleaning house the way he sees fit, so are a huge majority of business during this time.

his approach and tweets are the issue. but a little skeptical on the validity of some of the emails and accounts.
 
killvino said:
agreed. from everyone in tech that I have spoken to, twitter the platform and the app is not complex in any way and does not require even close to the amount of staff they had on hand to develop and maintain.
majority of the staff there are not needed for the main functions. he's cleaning house the way he sees fit, so are a huge majority of business during this time.

his approach and tweets are the issue. but a little skeptical on the validity of some of the emails and accounts.
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For Twitter... The issue is people that are the most skilled and wanted will jump. People that have no choice will hang on for dear life. His approach is numbers based and what he will be left with is actually the dead weight not the cream. I have seen this numbers based wizkid MBA BS approach in tech many times (but without blatant narcissism) and the outcome is always the same (an office full of dead weight), this is not manufacturing....

The only short term saviour for him is some of the skilled payers are on visas and may stick around short term as they want to stay in the US, and some of the other skilled people may see layoffs elsewhere and may stick around a bit, but I bet both groups resumes are on the street.... consider anyone with marketable skills gone now or in a few months.

A better strategic move would have been, eat the extra salaries through xmas, quick strategic cuts based on the dead weight in January with a better idea where and what that is. Blow smoke up the ***** of the skilled people.... Use other tech layoffs as an excuse but to also say look I am a good guy, I waited. He would have needed to park the ego to do it....
 
backmarkerducati said:
better strategic move would have been, eat the extra salaries through xmas, quick strategic cuts based on the dead weight in January with a better idea where and what that is. Blow smoke up the ***** of the skilled people.... Use other tech layoffs as an excuse but to also say look I am a good guy, I waited. He would have needed to park the ego to do it....
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Leaving bad actors in your employ for months could cause copious amounts of hurt on a company
 
backmarkerducati said:
For Twitter... The issue is people that are the most skilled and wanted will jump. People that have no choice will hang on for dear life. His approach is numbers based and what he will be left with is actually the dead weight not the cream. I have seen this numbers based wizkid MBA BS approach in tech many times (but without blatant narcissism) and the outcome is always the same (an office full of dead weight), this is not manufacturing....

The only short term saviour for him is some of the skilled payers are on visas and may stick around short term as they want to stay in the US, and some of the other skilled people may see layoffs elsewhere and may stick around a bit, but I bet both groups resumes are on the street.... consider anyone with marketable skills gone now or in a few months.

A better strategic move would have been, eat the extra salaries through xmas, quick strategic cuts based on the dead weight in January with a better idea where and what that is. Blow smoke up the ***** of the skilled people.... Use other tech layoffs as an excuse but to also say look I am a good guy, I waited. He would have needed to park the ego to do it....
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I spent nearly 3 decades leading tech firms -- they all carry a lot of dead weight in development, they have to. At any given time I could have selectively killed off 80% of the workforce without harming the company or development -- once a company does that it becomes extremely reliant on a small group of very smart people... it takes a nanosecond for them to figure that out. The small highly productive team immediately becomes your Achilles heel.

Once you pare development down, engineering teams start to overwhelm the marketing role and products slowly transition from market-driven to engineering-driven - a slippery slope leading to death. Ask RIM, Novell, AOL, BETAMAX, AltaVista (just a few big names) - they all were #1 market share, but plunged to death at the hands of engineering-led product strategy and the best gee-wizardry on the planet.

Will this happen to Twitter? I doubt it. There isn't a competitor ready to swoop in (yet), and the product itself is relatively simple. My guess is operational support is riskier to Twitter than losing an army of software developers.

I'm not going to bet against Musk yet. He has resources, connections, and a track record of making the folks that follow him very, very rich.

When he starts handing out Teslas, Twitter stock options and SpaceX rides to recruit allstars... they will come.
 
Mad Mike said:
I spent nearly 3 decades leading tech firms -- they all carry a lot of dead weight in development, they have to. At any given time I could have selectively killed off 80% of the workforce without harming the company or development -- once a company does that it becomes extremely reliant on a small group of very smart people... it takes a nanosecond for them to figure that out. The small highly productive team immediately becomes your Achilles heel.

Once you pare development down, engineering teams start to overwhelm the marketing role and products slowly transition from market-driven to engineering-driven - a slippery slope leading to death. Ask RIM, Novell, AOL, BETAMAX, AltaVista (just a few big names) - they all were #1 market share, but plunged to death at the hands of engineering-led product strategy and the best gee-wizardry on the planet.

Will this happen to Twitter? I doubt it. There isn't a competitor ready to swoop in (yet), and the product itself is relatively simple. My guess is operational support is riskier to Twitter than losing an army of software developers.

I'm not going to bet against Musk yet. He has resources, connections, and a track record of making the folks that follow him very, very rich.

When he starts handing out Teslas, Twitter stock options and SpaceX rides to recruit allstars... they will come.
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That's my point and the problem with his approach and the blind wizkid MBA numbers only approach. The environment becomes poison in the short term, the people who have better options leave (SW and HW), dead weight will never leave on their own.... never, because they can't. The cuts are blind to ability and value. There will be a short period of productivity increase as the dead weight will now put in more effort as they are scared, that has a short runway but it is always where the wizkids pat themselves on their backs.

Just like every tech company that does this he will have to do just like you pointed out to get them to stay or to get them back to move forward, overpay in wages and stock options, six figure retention/signing bonuses, free space rides, free Teslas, whatever. Waste of money vs laying off the dead weight first. I have seen it all multiple times, except the space flights that is new (free cars is not)..... A new ego challenge he will have, insisting people come into the office when many other places are doing WFH, just means he has to toss around even more to get talent (and I am not a fan of WFH, just how it is today).

I do not expect Twitter to go under, I expect some tough times ahead, left with the dead weight, then tossing way too much money around to get people to stay or come back.... short term he loses the ability to innovate and deal with operational issues. Toss money at the problem to fix both.
 
I've been through many RIFs and voluntary retirements in mid and large-cap companies.

I was with IBM in the early 1990s when they offered voluntary early retirement packages to trim the workforce during the recession. Worst decision ever. Only the high performers took the packages and went on to other companies because they were more hireable than those who opted to stay with the company. Obviously, I wasn't in a position to take retirement back then, but I did have to work with the people left behind and they were all deadwood.

Worse yet were the high performers who took the package AND THEN got re-hired back by Big Blue as a contractor, earning way more money than they did as an employee *AND* also collecting a cushy pension. A very profitable double-dip for them.

A better direction are the RIFs where management played an active role in deciding who stayed and who got let go. *THAT* is truly trimming the fat. Went through two of those while working in a mid-cap corp, one in 2001 and another one in 2008, and the company definitely emerged stronger and leaner after the cuts. I felt bad for the people who got cut, but the people left behind were the ones that did all the work anyway, and it felt good being part of a tight ship and not having to navigate around useless employees in the organization.
 
Musk's "free-speech" is going well (/s). Deletes the account of the guy that used to track his plane (using publicly available data) and now whacks a bunch of journalists that wrote about Musk. Twitter is becoming his personal echo chamber. It will be interesting (and scary) to see how that plays out. He has more resources than many countries and many loyal followers that will gladly join his paid echo chamber. Does he have enough clout to do something like get elected POTUS? Yikes.
 
Really not a bad thing when the shoe is on the other foot, keeps some kinda balance in check

So I’m told
 
GreyGhost said:
Musk's "free-speech" is going well (/s). Deletes the account of the guy that used to track his plane (using publicly available data) and now whacks a bunch of journalists that wrote about Musk. Twitter is becoming his personal echo chamber. It will be interesting (and scary) to see how that plays out. He has more resources than many countries and many loyal followers that will gladly join his paid echo chamber. Does he have enough clout to do something like get elected POTUS? Yikes.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1603600001057185792

He's just throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.
 
GreyGhost said:
Musk's "free-speech" is going well (/s). Deletes the account of the guy that used to track his plane (using publicly available data) and now whacks a bunch of journalists that wrote about Musk. Twitter is becoming his personal echo chamber. It will be interesting (and scary) to see how that plays out. He has more resources than many countries and many loyal followers that will gladly join his paid echo chamber. Does he have enough clout to do something like get elected POTUS? Yikes.
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I think Arnold has a better chance of being POTUS than Musk.

We've seen it with Bernie also...the internet loves him. The 'youth' promise to vote for him in each election, and he gets blown out of the water every single time because they choose not to go vote.

Zero chance of Musk becoming POTUS. However...his private echo chamber can be made into a 'Kingmaker' type of forum.
 
I heard there was some crazy stalker following his kid around, using the info from the Twitter account, that got it banned.

What's the difference between that and doxxing people if you're doing it real time.
 
Baggsy said:
I heard there was some crazy stalker following his kid around, using the info from the Twitter account, that got it banned.

What's the difference between that and doxxing people if you're doing it real time.
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I agree that there are some issues but musk made a new policy that was vague and basically enforced at his whim. He said no real time locations even if available from public sources but then used some wording like a significant delay.) Is required. It would have been far simpler to say some thing like 24 hours. On the flip side, if I see musk driving a cyber truck and post a picture that happens to have a street sign in it, does that violate the policy?
 
Apparently Mr. Musk has dropped a notch in the richest man race, due to Tesla shares dropping. Now the #1 spot goes to the CEO of Louis Vuitton.

Is there a prize for the first trillionaire?
 
Meh Silicon Valley always has purges and hires, kinda the nature of the beast of how it works.

Could care less what Elon is doing, but the guy knows how to work the social media angle just like Trump did to get attention. Eventually the next idiot will come along the media can start chasing after. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Baggsy said:
I heard there was some crazy stalker following his kid around, using the info from the Twitter account, that got it banned.

What's the difference between that and doxxing people if you're doing it real time.
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That’s the Musk excuse. The reality is that there has been no police report filed and the only source of that info is from Musk himself. Given that his kid was assumingly in a Tesla, I would think there would be video from all of the cameras on the car that are used like a dashcam and constantly record. Nothing has been released except for Elon’s word. The jet account posted publicly available information regarding flight status of his personal (~company) jet based on the tail number. Anyone can very easily find that info with a simple google search, tail number is N628TS if you are curious.

If we accept Elon’s excuse as being valid, then how is LibsOfTikTok still up? An account that vociferously posts about LGBT related things that consistently has led to threats against their targets.
 
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