Afghanistan has fallen

[Roadghost]

This whole thing seems too contrived. It seems like there was a secret deal between the U.S. and the Taliban. The U.S. was not too happy with Ashraf Ghani, Afghan president and some of his anti-U.S. remarks. I get the impression there was a deal to hand over the country to the Taliban and the power sharing thing was a ruse. I suggest the deal would have been that the Taliban must fight terrorists. It all just looked too easy, the way the U.S. air support pulled out overnight and the place collapsed.

 

[Mad Mike]

What the everyloving bleep are our "leaders" doing? Sent a C17 to evacuate people. Good so far. Payload is ~170,000 lbs. Good so far. Picked up 106 people (~20,000 lbs) and left. wtf. How about we risk the plane and crew six times as often as necessary. Previous trip had <200 evacuees. Continuing the canadian political tradition of theatre instead of maximum impact.

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not impossible.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Sent a C17 to evacuate people. Good so far. Payload is ~170,000 lbs. Good so far. Picked up 106 people (~20,000 lbs) and left.

Did they install business class seats?

Asking because it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Roadghost]

I'm reading that the U.S. has drafted civilian airliners to help with the evacuation. I suggest this is a route Canada should take. C17 is a heavy lift cargo plane, not really suited for carrying civilians.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

C17 is a heavy lift cargo plane, not really suited for carrying civilians.

No, but you can fit a ****load of them into one. I doubt anyone that was desperate enough to try to cling to the side of an airplane would complain about cramped quarters for a few hours.......at the time, at least.

 

[GreyGhost]

No, but you can fit a ****load of them into one. I doubt anyone that was desperate enough to try to cling to the side of an airplane would complain about cramped quarters for a few hours.......at the time, at least.

US packed them in solid. Actually seemed reasonably safe for a short flight. Sure individual seats would be safer but capacity would have been way down. The worst is unrestrained people with lots of room to move.

 

[Mad Mike]

I'm reading that the U.S. has drafted civilian airliners to help with the evacuation. I suggest this is a route Canada should take. C17 is a heavy lift cargo plane, not really suited for carrying civilians.

I doubt anyone that gets onboard will complain about comfort. I say pack them like sardines, unaccompanied WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST, save as many as possible and reduce the number of risky flights.

Hopefully the don’t file a class action against the CDN govt for providing unsafe transportation.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Hopefully the don’t file a class action against the CDN govt for providing unsafe transportation.

History would dictate a year in some "lawyer" (likely named Saul, with a cheesy commercial on CITY "exposed to green goo at your work between 19xx and 20xx? call 1-800-FRE-MUNY!") would trot out a couple of refugees bribed shills to complain about their inhumane treatment and announce his class action lawsuit ($10M each is a nice round Trudeau-friendly number).

 

[Dimitri]

This whole thing seems too contrived. It seems like there was a secret deal between the U.S. and the Taliban. The U.S. was not too happy with Ashraf Ghani, Afghan president

They weren't happy with the dictator they installed? Say it ain't so. Not the first time, and won't be the last.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

This whole thing seems too contrived. It seems like there was a secret deal between the U.S. and the Taliban. The U.S. was not too happy with Ashraf Ghani, Afghan president and some of his anti-U.S. remarks. I get the impression there was a deal to hand over the country to the Taliban and the power sharing thing was a ruse. I suggest the deal would have been that the Taliban must fight terrorists. It all just looked too easy, the way the U.S. air support pulled out overnight and the place collapsed.

You must be in a pretty big rush to get out if you have to leave a duffle bag full of cash on the tarmac.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled Kabul in helicopter stuffed with cash: Reports

MOSCOW: Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani allegedly fled the war-torn country aboard a helicopter stuffed with money but had to leave some cash on the airfield

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[nobbie48]

You must be in a pretty big rush to get out if you have to leave a duffle bag full of cash on the tarmac.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled Kabul in helicopter stuffed with cash: Reports

MOSCOW: Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani allegedly fled the war-torn country aboard a helicopter stuffed with money but had to leave some cash on the airfield

www.newindianexpress.com

I gather there were so many bags of cash they wouldn't all fit in. I wonder what currency?

Assuming USD and the largest bill a $100, how many in a duffel bag and how many duffels in a chopper?

A wild guess would be a few million per duffel but it depends on whether he got an NHL goalie duffel or a table tennis duffel.

A million in $100's fits into a typical briefcase.

 

[GreyGhost]

I gather there were so many bags of cash they wouldn't all fit in. I wonder what currency?

Assuming USD and the largest bill a $100, how many in a duffel bag and how many duffels in a chopper?

A wild guess would be a few million per duffel but it depends on whether he got an NHL goalie duffel or a table tennis duffel.

The initial story said multiple vehicles full of duffle bags of money. Total of ~$5M. Math doesn't add up.

 

[backmarkerducati]

For the evac flights, just some food for thought.

• I am not sure I would want to be on a civilian airliner without any countermeasures etc. in that airspace. Although some are doing it.
• Many western countries are flying people to other airbases in other countries, not all the way back to the home country, some of these countries are placing limits on incoming people.

It may not be as simple as just getting people on planes....

 

[Dimitri]

The initial story said multiple vehicles full of duffle bags of money. Total of ~$5M. Math doesn't add up.

Each gym sized duffle can hold about $1 million in $100s. So if it's in $20 dollar bills, that's about 20 standard gym sized duffle bags.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

A million in $100's fits into a typical briefcase.

The initial story said multiple vehicles full of duffle bags of money. Total of ~$5M. Math doesn't add up.

Estimated $169M, minus what was left on the tarmac. He'll manage to get by with what he did get stuffed into the chopper.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani reportedly fled Kabul with $169 million in cash

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[Roadghost]

I would have kicked him out of the helicopter somewhere over Tajikistan, headed for Switzerland with the cash.

 

[nobbie48]

Estimated $169M, minus what was left on the tarmac. He'll manage to get by with what he did get stuffed into the chopper.

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I wonder if he held a gun to the pilot's head. We both make it or we both don't.

 

[Dimitri]

I wonder if he held a gun to the pilot's head. We both make it or we both don't.

Or handed the guy a duffle and said it's his cut.

 

[J_F]

This whole thing seems too contrived. It seems like there was a secret deal between the U.S. and the Taliban. The U.S. was not too happy with Ashraf Ghani, Afghan president and some of his anti-U.S. remarks. I get the impression there was a deal to hand over the country to the Taliban and the power sharing thing was a ruse. I suggest the deal would have been that the Taliban must fight terrorists. It all just looked too easy, the way the U.S. air support pulled out overnight and the place collapsed.

100%
American political sides blaming each other
but this deal has been in the works across both admins

US and Taliban sign historic agreement

After a week-long "reduction in violence," the US and Taliban signed a historic agreement Saturday which sets into motion the potential of a full withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan and could pave the way to ending America's longest-fought war.

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[J_F]

a week ago this would have been a hot topic here
the terrorist's bomb that exploded at the Kabul AP gate
has killed around 60 and a dozen US Servicemembers

this guy is lost, AWOL