Trials
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You do it for that new bike smell.
Nothing smells like a new bike.
Nothing smells like a new bike.
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Advise on buying a new bike
- Thread starter zx6r_98
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racerschool
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I would not bother having the dealer throw in any services for free to sweeten the deal. Odds are the dealer will be out of business by the time you'll need that service. I would also not leave any deposit. There was a story about a month ago about a car dealership that went under in Toronto. Lots of people lost the whole purchase price of their vehicle and others lost their deposits.
In a few months the distributors (Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki) will probably be looking to unload stock due to buy backs from out of business dealers or cancelled orders from dealers still in business but not wanting the inventory. Buyers will dry up as well due to layoffs, and the tightening of credit (fewer people approved for bike loans).
Customers left in the dark after Toronto car dealership suddenly shuts its doors
Customers, who had already made purchases and were waiting to take home their vehicles, were in shock Wednesday after learning that the popular General Motors dealership in North York had shuttered its doors.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
In a few months the distributors (Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki) will probably be looking to unload stock due to buy backs from out of business dealers or cancelled orders from dealers still in business but not wanting the inventory. Buyers will dry up as well due to layoffs, and the tightening of credit (fewer people approved for bike loans).
racerschool
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Also any advertised price in Ontario has to include all fees except tax. If you walk in on an ad (an ad is anything the dealer puts out, email, autotrader etc) and they try to charge you for anything extra (freight, PDI, prep, cleaning fee, tire fee, coffee fee, gas in the owners boat fee etc.) then simply tell them that you have a copy of the ad and if they refuse to honour it you'll make a report to OMVIC and they will lose their licence. If they tell you "oh well, it doesn't include this, or that fee", it isn't true. The only exception is the cost of your licence plates, because that is extra because you are getting something (the plates) and it isn't required, as you could be buying the bike for the track (where you don't need plates).
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Also any advertised price in Ontario has to include all fees except tax. If you walk in on an ad (an ad is anything the dealer puts out, email, autotrader etc) and they try to charge you for anything extra (freight, PDI, prep, cleaning fee, tire fee, coffee fee, gas in the owners boat fee etc.) then simply tell them that you have a copy of the ad and if they refuse to honour it you'll make a report to OMVIC and they will lose their licence. If they tell you "oh well, it doesn't include this, or that fee", it isn't true. The only exception is the cost of your licence plates, because that is extra because you are getting something (the plates) and it isn't required, as you could be buying the bike for the track (where you don't need plates).
News
Stay in the loop with the latest in Ontario vehicle sales. Read OMVIC's news and updates.
There was an omvic rep on the news last night saying pretty much what you just said. They won't lose their licence...maybe a warning or fine but they would have to repeatedly violate the rules to get to that point.
One thing they can do is list a specific stock # on the ad, usually in tiny print under the picture or down low in the fine print. A smart dealer will list the manufacturer model code in the ad as well so there is no question as to what is being offered. They can have 10 exact same models in stock but only list one at that specific price (ie. odd colour, old stock, etc.) or state see dealer for availability/details. If you go in and say I want this deal but in a different colour or wheels or whatever then they can charge more because it's not exactly what was advertised.
You made me laugh with the owners boat gas fee comment, I worked for someone who had a beautiful 30 ish ft. cabin cruiser and some Saturdays he would tell us he needed to fill the boat so we needed to sell lots of cars that day lol.
racerschool
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Also dealers will get a kick back on a unit sold (an incentive for them to be able to reduce the price). This is paid monthly, so the closer to the end of the month, the closer it is for the dealer to get that kick back if he sells you a unit. If he sells it April 8th he won't get his $1000 or whatever it is until mid-May (6 weeks or more). If he sells it April 28th, then he may only wait 2 weeks. This is a powerful motivator for the dealer to accept a deal.
J_F
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maybe it's just me
but I like the price on free stuff
a new bike buyer will require minimum 2 services in the first season
the initial 1,000 km, and an end of season
if you want to pay for them because it's too awkward to ask the question, cool
OP sounds like he's not conflicted to ask the question
racerschool
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Two free services are worth nothing if when you roll up in 6 months for your service, that dealer is out of business, or a new owner.
racerschool
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Take cash off the unit, or a free thing you can walk away with like a helmet or lock etc. The markup on these things is about 40%, so if a dealer is throwing in a $90 lock, it is only costing them $60, keep that in mind.
racerschool
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With the way this spring is shaping out, and if things don't get better in the next month or two, when (if) the dealerships open back up they will be looking to clear out inventory.
May find some great deals on new bikes that have been sitting on the floor for months.
racerschool
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The above is true. Also the absolute best deals will be from people taking delivery of a new bike they purchased in the fall and now realizing they need to unload it quickly.
What things ??
J_F
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never head of Japanese dealers doing it
but some European bikes will have special tools or stands etc in the crate
some dealers will keep that stuff then sell them
can't see that being an issue with an R1
and as I'm sure you know OP, not your first rodeo
what he is suggesting cannot happen with a registered bike
cannot take it in the crate and get a fit ownership, needs to have the PDI
but some European bikes will have special tools or stands etc in the crate
some dealers will keep that stuff then sell them
can't see that being an issue with an R1
and as I'm sure you know OP, not your first rodeo
what he is suggesting cannot happen with a registered bike
cannot take it in the crate and get a fit ownership, needs to have the PDI
Trials
Well-known member
Well for example MV stealership tried to sell me a battery tender and a rear wheel track stand for 400$ when both actually came with the bike.
Or all of the street lighting and extra sprocket, extra chain and extra header pipe with a cat converter that came with a new Montesa.
Trials
Well-known member
You can't get a brand new motorcycle road certified? I sure can, send it here, bike already had a PDI at the factory.
... oh ya the Toronto dealership did do one thing for me when they unpacked my MV, they rolled it over one of the packing crate staples and put a hole in the rear tire.
Hypothetical question...
But could someone purchase a new bike, and then ask the dealership to deliver the bike to your residence still in the crate?
Assuming you would then register and plate it yourself.
But could someone purchase a new bike, and then ask the dealership to deliver the bike to your residence still in the crate?
Assuming you would then register and plate it yourself.
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