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ADV fad
- Thread starter Wingboy
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You're not wrong either.
@ScorpionT16 said it best:
"These bikes are made for long distance, cross country use in any condition, or terrain that one can come across, not necessarily go looking for."
If my buddies call me to go out for a street ride then I'm taking my GS, and if we come across a dirt road, then I won't say no.
But if my buddies tell me we're doing trails, I'm 100% going to show up on my EXC. Unless it's 4+ hours of superslab to get there. Then I'll throw the bike in the back of the pickup truck and meet them at the trail head.
Otherwise I'll have to do an oil change when I get to the trails, and then another oil change when I get back home...
Bret's awesome. Very useful content. My favorite YouTube channel, along with the rest of the MotoTrek videos.
I just find peoples expectations of adv bikes is ridiculous. They are not dirt bikes or sport bikes. But an adv bike is a better dirt bike than a sport bike and a better sport bike than a dirt bike.
Is the glass half full or half empty.
As I’ve said before I don’t think anyone would want to ride what I ride on any specialized bike. Maybe I’m wrong
Is the glass half full or half empty.
As I’ve said before I don’t think anyone would want to ride what I ride on any specialized bike. Maybe I’m wrong
Very true
technique can go a long way but some people are just not physically able.
watch this guy and his technique vs the tool in the previously posted video with the PanAmerica
The Beast from the East.
kurtrules
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Any bike can do any road, if there is a road that is. What varies is time, effort and willingness.
Nick Sanders going around the world on an R1 in 19 days is proof of that.
Anyhow, I see this as a first world conundrum. When I got my first bike, the only choices I had were in terms of cc. A 150cc Hero Honda CBZ/ a Bajaj Pulsar Or A 125cc Yamaha Rx125 Or A 350cc cast iron bullet.
I got the Hero Honda, and I used to ride it to office on weekdays, to the mall on Fridays and to the mountains on weekends. 1 bike - do it all
Ideal? Definitely not. But then again, we didn't have a choice between adv, sport tourer, naked, SuperSport, Hypersport, dirt, trail...am sure there's more.
Nick Sanders going around the world on an R1 in 19 days is proof of that.
Anyhow, I see this as a first world conundrum. When I got my first bike, the only choices I had were in terms of cc. A 150cc Hero Honda CBZ/ a Bajaj Pulsar Or A 125cc Yamaha Rx125 Or A 350cc cast iron bullet.
I got the Hero Honda, and I used to ride it to office on weekdays, to the mall on Fridays and to the mountains on weekends. 1 bike - do it all
Ideal? Definitely not. But then again, we didn't have a choice between adv, sport tourer, naked, SuperSport, Hypersport, dirt, trail...am sure there's more.
Oil, lube. Potatoe yada yada. Umm motorcycles maybe
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The "fad" part of it for me, is that every year the bikes seem to grow in size.
If I'm not mistaken you can buy a KTM Adventure bike in any size from 250, 390, 640, 790, 890, 950, 990, 1090, 1190 & 1290cc.
Why would I need something over 800 or 900cc for use on or off our roads today?
The problem is that the smaller models don't come with as many features as the larger.
Next year I won't need a 1400 (1390cc) bike to do what my 650 already does, speedwise.
It's already to the point where I crack the throttle to pass and then have to back it off, to avoid any issues if there are radars around.
But I wouldn't mind some of the newer bells & whistles, like cruise control.
If I'm not mistaken you can buy a KTM Adventure bike in any size from 250, 390, 640, 790, 890, 950, 990, 1090, 1190 & 1290cc.
Why would I need something over 800 or 900cc for use on or off our roads today?
The problem is that the smaller models don't come with as many features as the larger.
Next year I won't need a 1400 (1390cc) bike to do what my 650 already does, speedwise.
It's already to the point where I crack the throttle to pass and then have to back it off, to avoid any issues if there are radars around.
But I wouldn't mind some of the newer bells & whistles, like cruise control.
To be fair, most of those engines you've listed are previous models, superseded by the larger displacement models. The only current engine configs on offer for the road-going bikes are 390, 690, 890 and 1290.
No different than any other manufacturer that has road offerings in the 300cc, 500cc, 600cc and 1000cc displacements.
Now the KTM competition off-road offerings are tiered quite closely, especially the 2Ts: 50cc, 65cc, 85cc, 125cc, 150cc, 250cc... mostly tiered for the peewee and junior MX classes.
Actually the trend in ADV as of late is actually smaller les powerful lighter bikes.
My 1190 is no longer produced and yes it was replace by the 1290 but they have also started producing the 890 classed as a middle weight ADV it’s lighter better balanced has cruise and all the bell and whistles of big brother.
yes There is an update for the 1200 Triumph Tiger coming but they also have the 900. It’s no different than every other style of bike.
You are correct they put more options on the bigger more expensive bikes but that hasn’t been any different In any bike style.
No one ever needed an RC51, R1, BMW s100rr or evening an R6 for that matter.
Yet Ducati still builds a 200+hp super sport, KTM still builds a 180hp super naked. Every single bike I’ve mentioned is fast too fast for any trail or Ontario roads, what ever bike you ride is probably excessive in its own way.
A 450 moto x is absolutely mental and too fast for the woods. There is no need for 450’s in the trails. There is an argument for or against any type of bike The beauty is they keep building all the models so we can choose the bike that suits us.
I test road the KTM 890 Adventure and didn’t really like it. It‘s plenty fast but the power delivery out of the parallel twin was muted in comparison to my 1190 v twin. It has cruise control and mine doesn’t. It’s seat was more narrow and not as comfortable, but it was lighter with a lower cg. I have a friend taking delivery next spring of a Triumph Tiger 900 rally pro, it’s replacing his 650 vstrom. He’s not really interested in the power gains but the suspension and various other options. But it will see dirt and lots of it.
My 1190 is no longer produced and yes it was replace by the 1290 but they have also started producing the 890 classed as a middle weight ADV it’s lighter better balanced has cruise and all the bell and whistles of big brother.
yes There is an update for the 1200 Triumph Tiger coming but they also have the 900. It’s no different than every other style of bike.
You are correct they put more options on the bigger more expensive bikes but that hasn’t been any different In any bike style.
No one ever needed an RC51, R1, BMW s100rr or evening an R6 for that matter.
Yet Ducati still builds a 200+hp super sport, KTM still builds a 180hp super naked. Every single bike I’ve mentioned is fast too fast for any trail or Ontario roads, what ever bike you ride is probably excessive in its own way.
A 450 moto x is absolutely mental and too fast for the woods. There is no need for 450’s in the trails. There is an argument for or against any type of bike The beauty is they keep building all the models so we can choose the bike that suits us.
I test road the KTM 890 Adventure and didn’t really like it. It‘s plenty fast but the power delivery out of the parallel twin was muted in comparison to my 1190 v twin. It has cruise control and mine doesn’t. It’s seat was more narrow and not as comfortable, but it was lighter with a lower cg. I have a friend taking delivery next spring of a Triumph Tiger 900 rally pro, it’s replacing his 650 vstrom. He’s not really interested in the power gains but the suspension and various other options. But it will see dirt and lots of it.
Something we are ignoring is the fact that we don't have the legal riding areas that we did way back in the day.
It takes a bike with touring capabilities just to get to the ganaraska for me.
When i bought the Honda Rally a couple years ago, my thought was, "this'll be so much fun in the dirt".
Oh? There isn't any.
It takes a bike with touring capabilities just to get to the ganaraska for me.
When i bought the Honda Rally a couple years ago, my thought was, "this'll be so much fun in the dirt".
Oh? There isn't any.
This just popped up. The manufacturers think that consumers are dumb. An adv scooter! Really?
"Honda ADV 350 set for European and possible UK launch | Visordown" Honda ADV 350 set for European and possible UK launch
"Honda ADV 350 set for European and possible UK launch | Visordown" Honda ADV 350 set for European and possible UK launch
Roadghost
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What a drama queen. This guy needs to go back to his Street Glide and pirate costume
This was not a bike problem but a rider problem
LOL, I know. But he's really ridiculing the whole idea. Every time I see a promo for a 600lb ADV it features a pro rider throwing it around motocross trails like a 250lb bike, doing 15-foot jumps, blasting through the barren wastelands in an imaginary Dakar. I guess it's no different with a sport bike promo doing GP on the public highway. You might not fall for that stuff, but a lot of people do. What they look like after the imaginary Dakar:
TK4
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Large displacement ADVs are like big honkin' pickup trucks - used maybe 10% of the time for their intended purpose.
Once upon a time all we had were UJMs and we did everything with them.
You'll see there's a trend in the truck business - the manufacturers are bringing back smaller because not everyone needs something with an 8 foot box and 20" wheels.
The right tool for the job - your pick will likely be different than mine.
Once upon a time all we had were UJMs and we did everything with them.
You'll see there's a trend in the truck business - the manufacturers are bringing back smaller because not everyone needs something with an 8 foot box and 20" wheels.
The right tool for the job - your pick will likely be different than mine.
I agree with you.
I CAN ride my KTM1090R into all kinds of trouble off road, and get into places like the doofus on the Pan Am. The difference is I'm not trying to create content for a you tube channel so I have the sense to decide not to exceed my own or the bikes capability. I wouldn't have hesitated to blast up that slope on my 690 or my long gone XR650 or a dirt bike and it would have been uneventful and unworthy of a you tube video, but certainly not on a bike with street friendly geometry, gearing and suspension, non aggressive tires and electronic ride aids turned on. The actual weight of the bike not withstanding.
I kitted my 1090 with comfort stuff like a Corbin seat, touring screen, and lowered footpegs. This year I bought a new rainsuit and heated gear.
Last Wednesday I spend 9.5 hours in the saddle riding eastern Ontario on all kinds of surfaces, 2 lane highway, rural back roads, gravel roads, rail trail, unopened road access and ATV trail all on the same day. That's why I like the bike, I can go pretty much anywhere I feel like at a pace governed by conditions. Single track? No, it's still just NO FUN on a street bike.
bigpoppa
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you would like the new taureg
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