600cc bikes in Superbike/Open - You can do it!

Snipes planned a well thought out race program for 2012. All within the rules allowed by SOAR. I don't see a problem with it.
 
caboose483 said:
Well that's a tangent!! But to some extent I agree.

The easiest way to eliminate the cherrypicking would be to award no points in the class and have no championship. Also eliminate tire money from rookie. And get rid of the 6 weekend rule.

I have a different view of what a rookie class should be than SOAR. I think RACE is closer to what I think it should be.

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I agree with eliminating tire money from rookie and any championship money at the end (if there is any). That's probably number one. And I also agree with getting rid of the 6 weekend rule, as long as the series tightly controlled who races in that class. I'd leave points in cause it still should be competitive. As a rookie, getting that first point or points is such a milestone. I remember my first point (literally it was one, since I placed 12th or something), and I was over the moon. It's great motivation for new racers to score points.

But I think you nailed it on the head. Not sure how RACE does it.
 
DownUnder said:
Hmmm, on an average weekend how modified are the competitor bikes? What sort of hp figures would you see out of the 1000s, how common are aftermarket wheels/calipers etc etc?
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You have to read the rulebook. http://www.soaracing.ca/html/2012_rulebook.htm

Although the theoretical possibility exists of using aftermarket wheels in certain classes, it isn't common. For one thing, they're really expensive. Never race what you can't afford to abandon in a ditch. For another, for riders who are also participating on the same machine in other series (e.g. nationals), there are restrictions on types of wheels used in those series. Also, although 16.5" wheels are allowed (see World Superbike) ... no one uses them, because the race tire distributors haven't made tires readily available for them, probably because the nationals don't allow them (unless the bike manufacturers start using them as original equipment - not in the cards) and there's not enough money in regionals to warrant using them.

Realistically, most bikes used in this class are prepped roughly as if they were "Supersport". Suspension (rear shock and fork internals only), bodywork, sprockets, exhaust, remove all the street stuff, maybe a power commander etc., and call it good enough. Not enough money flowing around to justify going to extremes. And you are riding at Cayuga (TMP) and Grand Bend. Big horsepower isn't a big advantage.

Even my vintage old FZR400 that I use in this series is basically a stock bike with suspension, bodywork, sprockets, exhaust, street stuff removed, and carbs rejetted. Engine is all OEM Yamaha parts - because it's more reliable that way.
 
Never Ever Again. Well for a long time. Will I ever do an Open Sprint again. I need to have wayyy more speed before I even consider entering that class again :)
 
Hahaha... I used to think VRRA would be a nice calm place to cut my teeth in racing. Top three guys were VICIOUS fast. :D
 
ScreamingSon said:
Never Ever Again. Well for a long time. Will I ever do an Open Sprint again. I need to have wayyy more speed before I even consider entering that class again :)
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It'll come!

My first AM Superbike race I didn't even finish the race. My 2nd race I finished 17th I think.

It was a bit frustrating watching people run away from me when I was riding as fast as I could but it just motivated me to work harder. For a long time my personal victories were based on improvement. 17th in one race, 12th in the race after that. Then 10th! I had a lot of small personal victories before I actually won a race.

Keep at it!

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The Aprilia RSV4 Factory is a better track bike than 600s on any track in my opinion. Even tight ones. 1000cc power packed into a 600cc frame and handles like its on rails. I doubt any 600cc can out manoevre the RSV4 Factory and the RSV4 will just blast the 600s out in terms of corner exit speed and straight aways. The Panigale will also be an interesting 1000cc bike that may be lethal on the track with a proper setup. It is as light as a Yamaha R6 and the frame is even smaller than the RSV4 (Literally like a 600cc size bike with ~170 WHP). These Italian superbikes are no slouches on handling and they will be superior to 600s on a track.
 
jetspeed said:
The Aprilia RSV4 Factory is a better track bike than 600s on any track in my opinion. Even tight ones. 1000cc power packed into a 600cc frame and handles like its on rails. I doubt any 600cc can out manoevre the RSV4 Factory and the RSV4 will just blast the 600s out in terms of corner exit speed and straight aways. The Panigale will also be an interesting 1000cc bike that may be lethal on the track with a proper setup. It is as light as a Yamaha R6 and the frame is even smaller than the RSV4 (Literally like a 600cc size bike with ~170 WHP). These Italian superbikes are no slouches on handling and they will be superior to 600s on a track.
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Then bring your RSV4 and come race. At the regional level heck at the national level it's 90% rider and I've seen a few 600's beat an RSV at Shannonville.
 
Seem to recall seeing a couple RSV's go kaboom, too. Not convinced that they are reliable enough ...
 
I've seen two S1000RRs go boom at Calabogie this summer. FYI
 
So did my gsxr. This isn't even the point of this thread and I'm pretty sure it's been beaten to death already. Bring your bikes out to race, 600, 750, 1000, 10-1190 whatever and have some fun. Whatever bike your on it isn't going to win the race without you riding it.
 
dricked said:
Then bring your RSV4 and come race. At the regional level heck at the national level it's 90% rider and I've seen a few 600's beat an RSV at Shannonville.
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I am not rich enough to own one. Put those guys that rode the 600s which beat the rsv4 on a rsv4 and they will post even better lap times.

I bet Lorenzo on the world supersport spec r6 can't even keep up with Biaggi on his world superbike spec rsv4 factory and Lorenzo is arguably the fastest rider in the world now.
 
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Feeling the need to comment here. Our Rookie class has ZERO to do with speed. Its a low stress place for people to get a feel for the track. Its not a stepping stone hence why I dont make people run it until I say its ok to move. its not like RACE's novice class. Was never intended to be and still isn't. Its capped by weekends to allow people in theory to run a season.
Back in the day when I started there was no such thing as trackday and 60plus bikes showing up TRYing to qualify. It was a madhouse and more than a few people raced once scared the crap out of themselves and never returned. A beginner class where everyone had little experience would have been welcome. It wasnt there.
Now that I decide what happens I decided to make such a class. I dont care how many trackdays you have done. Doesnt mean squat. 95% of trackday riders will never come and whoop up it just doesnt happen that often. Turning a lap by yourself is one thing. Doing a clutch start blasting into T1 with thirty other bikes pushing your way through while defending against the others trying to get by you AND still turning those times are something very different Racing is different than trackdays it just is.
Rookie will remain the same as its been it works well. Its well attended and I believe does the job it was designed to do.
Back to your original programming :)
 
kneedragger88 said:
Now that I decide what happens I decided to make such a class.
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Bahahaha, best answer ever! Rookie is great! I'd agree there shouldn't be any "championship" as a lot of the fast guys end up getting their 6 races in half way through a season, so the championship is essentially meaningless, but it's a lot nicer way to start out then jumping into novice 600 and getting crushed by all the fast guys.
 
^ The rule book is referring to six Rookie races, not six races in total.
Caboose, I like that advice, Thank you. I'm extremely focused on losing weight and being in better overall shape physically and mentally next season. One of my goals this year was to not get lapped... That lasted two rounds until I tried open sprint haha :) Have fun this weekend Gents!
 
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