2022 MotoGP Discussion (No Links - Contains Spoilers!)

deja vu!

binder and bastianini were a lot of fun to watch back in their moto3 days...
So was Mir. These were the 2-3 that I had noticed would be making a massive impact in GP. Binder still has a way to go with KTM, but I think he is a future champ, and I think KTM think so too which is why they fast-tracked him over Olivera.

I'd really like to see Zarco do well, but it's like an affirmation of why Moto2 is irrelevant when it comes to GP success. Fabio adds to that theroy, for different reasons, and dare I say that even Alex Marquez proves the point further as former champ with works backing since he got on the GP grid (I expected more than a few podiums by now).

The really outliar is the under-performance from is Luca Marini, he was mediocre in Moto2 and is even worse in GP. If it weren't for Rossi's connections I'm sure he would have been booted this season.

I just started Unlimited today and it's more based on drama and expose on individual riders like Redbull did with Dovi so far.
 
So was Mir. These were the 2-3 that I had noticed would be making a massive impact in GP. Binder still has a way to go with KTM, but I think he is a future champ, and I think KTM think so too which is why they fast-tracked him over Olivera.

To be honest, Olivera kind of pooped the bed last year compared to Binder. He’s not showing much potential so far yet either. I really hope he gets it back together again soon, as I believe he has top tier potential.
 
Moto2 is irrelevant when it comes to GP success.

Really dependent on the rider, but yeah.

I look at someone like Toni Elias who dominated Moto2 and 250cc. Then they moved him up to the Big Leagues and he spends his time languishing at the back of the grid. Got punted back down to Moto2 and he ends up winning the championship. Move him up to MotoGP... last again.
 
To be honest, Olivera kind of pooped the bed last year compared to Binder. He’s not showing much potential so far yet either. I really hope he gets it back together again soon, as I believe he has top tier potential.
I don't think last year separated the two very much. Oliveira also got a legit race win and two seconds, while Binder got one extremely lucky win and a bunch of heroic mid-pack finishes after starting at the back of the grid. Why Oliviera completely disappeared after his wrist injury seemed to be a mystery to everyone, including Oliviera himself, but he still has more wins and podiums in the class.

If Binder can sort his QP issues without losing race pace, he'll prove KTM right for signing him early. Oliviera is just as much of a mystery, but I wouldn't take too much from the Qatar race results. Don't forget who won the first race last year and had everyone waxing lyrical about how he'd finally sorted his head out...

KTM is still so inconsistent, it's hard to read too much into their results. I have a felling they'll improve this year, though.
 
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Felt the urge to watch this race live. Woke up at 2:30am to find out the big news about Marquez... Watching Q1 yesterday, Marc was riding really hard - from the outside, it looked to me that he was trying to ride the new bike like the old bike - forcing the bike into submission to grind out a good lap time instead of being more delicate/smooth as Pol has been. Seemed like the bike didn't agree with him and two crashes in Q1 left him way down the starting grid. Then the crash in the warm-up session. Wow. Absolutely brutal. Not sure how he is now, but man, he's really f-ing lucky to walk away from that. The man is gradually destroying himself to make it back to the top step. Seems like he fancied his chances at this track, and threw the kitchen sink at it to find something after the tires didn't work as well as the ones in the test for Honda. We've seen it so many times and I fear he won't stop until he is actually physically unable to continue...

As for the race, had a few cups of coffee to get me through the downpour and delays to the start. Jack set the tone early on. Quartararo did great to fight back. Jack was critical of Quartararo's passing, maybe a bit sore after missing out on a podium in conditions that favour him - I do agree a little on the Zarco pass - a bit aggressive. I suspect if Zarco had crashed into him, Quartararo would have been found at fault, but no crash, no penalty - just racing. Really happy to see Oliveira get back to winning ways - the documentary reminded me of how strong he was last year before he got injured. He mentioned that he learned a lot from being behind Miller and quickly getting to grips with the conditions. Zarco was fast, but struggled to find a way past Rins and Jack. Feel sorry for Martin - no points in two races now in what looked like a really promising season for him. Solid result for the Suzukis. The Factory KTM team is looking really strong this year. What about the brotherly love between the Binder brothers on the last lap? :D
 
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Fun race, despite the delays, rain, and the leader dominating for most of it. The grippy track seemed to suit some riders who normally struggle in the wet. Quartararo isn't done yet.

Full credit to Daryn Binder for getting a shock top 10, and catastrophic from Bagnaia. That was not the ride of someone with a legit championship ambition. Sure, it wasn't his weekend, but he should have been able to stay in the top 10 to hang on to a few points. To fade to 15th was really poor, especially considering how well Miller and Zarco went.

Either way, with the new track, asphalt issues and the weather, it's another outlier like Qatar and won't mean much as a guide for what's coming.
 
Brad Binder apparently did the entire race with his ride-height device stuck in the 'down' position.
 
Brad Binder apparently did the entire race with his ride-height device stuck in the 'down' position.
Would have been more catastrophic in the dry, but less critical with less acute lean angles and braking forces in the rain. Still bloody impressive (and yet another example of Binder making it work on Sunday). Even had the grip to barge his brother towards the end there...

As for Marquez's highside, his rear was snapping out regularly in that corner during Q1 (where he managed to crash twice in a matter of minutes, though both lowsides). I guess he trusted the TC to save it, and it suddenly couldn't. I know crashing lots on Friday and Saturday has been his MO for years, but there's a possibility that his body can't take the abuse anymore, and his skills have dropped off just enough to make him mortal.
 
Brad Binder apparently did the entire race with his ride-height device stuck in the 'down' position.
How about his Brother's performance this weekend. Stellar job for a rookie, and not bad for someone that everyone thinks shouldn't have a Motogp ride.
 
Not a huge shock regarding Marc, though there's definite championship implications if he misses more than one or two rounds. It also vindicates Honda's move towards a more user-friendly bike, to a certain extent. Lots of pressure back on Pol to perform now.

They also announced today that front ride height devices are banned starting in 2023. Here's the details from David Emmett:

MotoGP Grand Prix Commission Bans Front Ride-Height Devices From 2023 | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

Not a huge shock considering only Ducati wanted them and they had removed them for the Indonesia round, but an important concession regardless. The bikes are getting too fast for some of the classic circuits like Assen and Mugello to be raced safely, so they either find ways to dial back the top speeds or they start exclusively racing at bland modern F1 tracks with no verticality, stop/start layouts, and huge runoff. There's no easy answers, as slowing down the bikes too much means WSBK is a little too similar. There's a reason Dorna bought that series, and if they slow down the GP bikes, I'd expect similar added limits for the superbikes...
 
Marc's vision problems could be career-ending. This is his third bout with the same issue and any crash could cause them to recur, perhaps permanently. I'm not a big MM93 fan, but I don't really want to see him smash himself blind. I just don't see Marc ever being willing to take it easy and cruise around in the middle of the pack. He's always going to be going 100%
 
Marc's vision problems could be career-ending. This is his third bout with the same issue and any crash could cause them to recur, perhaps permanently. I'm not a big MM93 fan, but I don't really want to see him smash himself blind. I just don't see Marc ever being willing to take it easy and cruise around in the middle of the pack. He's always going to be going 100%
I sincerely hope this doesn't end his career, as he's still got a lot of years left in him and the championship is richer for having him around (even if I rarely cheer for him!) According to various journalists, this case is much less severe than the one he had last year, so is expected to be a shorter layoff. But it is a brain issue, and if it's anything like concussions, each subsequent one makes the effects exponentially worse, so it gets to the point where even mild bumps can bring on symptoms. This crash was definitely more than a mild bump, so hopefully he's not there yet.

The safety gear has come so far, protecting the riders from all sorts of bodily injuries that would have been catastrophic in the past (can't help but wonder if Pedrosa would have gotten that elusive title had his porcelain collarbone been protected by airbags!), but all the rotational mitigation in the world can't protect a brain from being dropped from a great height.

As for not taking it easy, Marc was crazy in Q1, chucking the bike all over the shop. I know he's built a career out of being willing to push past limits to find where they are, even if it means crashing, but at some point he will have to change that approach if he wants to start contending for titles again. Lots of elite athletes have had to change approach as they age, and many find new ways to succeed (Muhammad Ali and Andrea Pirlo are two that leap to mind). This is doubly true for Marquez as the bike is now no longer built just for him, so he's going to have to find a way to get a tune out of it. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting to watch. The grid doesn't feel right without a Repsol Honda fighting for the title...
 
Marc Marquez now appears to be going for all of the records, including Lorenzo's "highest highside":

While this crash was bad, it initially reminded me a lot of his crash in Thailand in 2019, it wasn't until I saw how far he was thrown into the air that I had to pause and make sure if that wasn't Pedrosa on that bike!

This race should have been stopped if Michelin brought **** tires, and everyone complained about the same thing on this track even Suzuki--I'm giving Mandalik the benefit of the doubt because during testing things were seemingly fine. The rainy race saved Michelin a ton of bad PR, because this should have required a thorough investigation. Dorna claims it is looking after riders safety after the strings of on track deaths, but it will allow for them to ride on what were seemingly dangerous tires well outside the specs they had during testing.

I'm not sure who to blame more, HRC for not telling him to not push on a green track with surface issues with tons kinks that weekend after the 3rd crash in qualy or Michelin for this ****** tire compound they brought. It was an off throttle high side, so the electronics and bad tires mixed with bad track conditions are more the culprit than him pushing on that lap, but still it was a one-off race with limited data where it was likely to rain. They kept repeating how grippy is was in the rain which makes it seem like they were told to repeat that line until the heat was off of them and they host the race next year in the largest motorcycle market in the World and hope that story sticks.

Again, I'm conflicted.

Either way, it goes without saying that I think Marc's riding style is what makes this sport so captivating in the GP class when he is healthy, he still is an a class of his own when he is: as seen in 2019. But at the same time it's not lost on me that his injuries are catching up to him. I still think of him as that rookie who at 20 set the World on fire winning the championship in the peak of the Alien era, or the 26 year old unstopable conquerer chasing down Rossi's record and making it seem inevitable and a foregone conclusion rather than impressive, but the truth is he will be 30 next year and with all the injuries, specifically brain related, he needs to have better risk-management tactics. Seeing red and pulling a Argentina or Jerez (ideally without the crash) worked when he was defying physics as much as he was beating records, and for the fans we all wanted it to continue but age and injuries catches up to everyone and cruel fate ensures that time waits for no man.

I might be wrong on the minutia but it must be something else to know that with Rossi's retirement if you added the entire grid's championships and race wins in GP, it probably doesn't even compare to Marc's first 2-3 seasons in GP class. I might be wrong, but he won just about everything in '13 and most of a lot of '14 in addition to the championships those years. He has a team that need him to succeed, no other rider will deliver the success he has and this year's HRC needs lots of work (perhaps more than any in recent History since they adapted for it other riders) now that the front end feel is off for him and he can't ride it like he could the other bikes. I was seriously shocked to see him drop a left hand turn this weekend.

Even if the vision thing is temporary he needs to be able to keep in mind what he said when the season began 'their are many races, but only one body.' The season is long, and now that the Yamaha seems inconsistent again no one has the bike to be a consistent threat even if he isn't fully healed. He proved that last year, he just needs to stay healthy enough to ride and score points without all of these gaps in his season.

So many countries, the logistics must be something else to behold.
Seriously, there are almost too many races; last season I was at wits end trying to find the time to keep up with them given the time difference and such.

I can't even imagine what it's like when dealing with the Supply Chain and Logistics of all the personnel, teams, equipment etc... which is why I think Moto-E is a fun spectacle, but it will never be the way to curb the carbon footprint in motorsports; whereas requiring the freight and all other vehicles to be EV and relying on X amount of renewable energy for continental races where possible: it may be hard if not impossible to not fly from Argentina to Texas if it were only done by truck using EV based vehicle transport.

That is where the glut of the carbon cutting should be done, the bikes really are a rounding error in that equation when you take all that into consideration. That's not even mentioning how DORNA could mandate that track renewal would be dependent on how much renewable each track creates and utilizes if they're really serious about this intitiatve.

And since most races are in the EU (and to a less extent TX which has some of the a largest wind-farms in N. America) it could be a way to get the developing World to start taking things seriously if they want to stay on the calendar. I'd love to see Qatar with all it's dirty oil money having to pour it right back into solar, batteries and other forms of renewabe fuels just to stay on the lineup.

I can't say I enjoyed the race without Marc, not to take anything from Olivera (or Risman?) but it wasn't enjoyable because this may be what ensures that this is the 3rd year in a row where another rider will win a championship without having to challenge an even remotely helathy Marc Marquez.

And that's a net negative for everyone who just enjoys the racing.
 
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This weekend’s motoGP schedule has been revised due to freight/logistical issues.

No free practice at all on Friday. One free practice moved to Saturday and quali moved to a later time on Saturday afternoon.

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One of the planes is stuck in Mombasa Kenya waiting on a part from Europe, another back up part coming from the Middle East.
Tomorrow is an all day MotoGP day it seems, they're holding all sessions just mixing the order up a bit across categories and will be 60 min sessions.

Personally speaking, I just had a flight canceled this week and other colleagues had issues coming back home from other locations, too. Given how these COVID restrictions still apply I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often tbh.

Either way, lets see how Ducati copes with this situation. We haven't been to Argentina since '19 and a lot of the current GP class haven't been on the big bikes here so it's really a mixed bag of how this will go. Weather looks dry and warm these next 2 days.

No Marquez or Nakagami this weekend, Stephan to fill in for an injured Marc and Taka tested positive for COVID. Pol and Alex have an imperative to deliver this weekend.

Rossi and HAM chatting on a podcast


Edit: Nakagami clear to race after negative COVID test.
 
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What a day. What an absolute day. I have never watched a race in quite such a state of terrified agitation, especially knowing Aprilia were probably favourites for the first time in my memory.

After a mediocre start, things looked good until about lap 10, when Aleix seemed to lose focus and ran wide twice in one lap. Any fears that he was losing touch were quickly dispelled when he immediately took back almost a half second to reel Martin back in. Then it was all about whether he could find a place to cleanly pass, as his first two tries didn't stick. Third time was the charm, then it was all about holding nerve to the finish.

Not ashamed to admit I shed a tear watching Aleix cross the line, as it's been a long go as an Aprilia fan in the top class. To have him get his first GP win on his 200th start was just the sweetest possible icing on the cake. It was telling about their ambition that he was talking as much about Austin in his debrief interview, as I think they are aiming higher than just one win this year. Whatever happens, this win makes the year a success, so the pressure is off.

All the details aside, today was a day for the pure magic of sport. An underdog finally triumphed against the odds after years of hard graft, disappointment, and temptations to quit. The fact you could be talking about Espargaro or Aprilia or both just adds to the wonder.

What a day.
 
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