Honda/Marquez combo have improved more than anyone else. When the champ is improving, the race is for 2nd.
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Honda/Marquez combo have improved more than anyone else. When the champ is improving, the race is for 2nd.
Unfortunately for me MOTOGP is starting to become like F1 . Races are predictable and stale. Very few passes or back and forth position changes. It seems once Marc gets in front everyone else is just happy staying where they are. Heck the qualyfiying is more exciting.
As much as I am not a Marc fan. I have to give him credit. He never stops going for the win even if he doesn't need to in order to win the championship.
MOTO 3 AND 2 are more exciting.
As much as I am not a Marc fan. I have to give him credit. He never stops going for the win even if he doesn't need to in order to win the championship.
MOTO 3 AND 2 are more exciting.
Winales_2017
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Rossi has a contract until 2020, as was mentioned, but there is really no where to go but Yamaha for him at this point.
Now JLO... I saw this post last week and decided to keep quiet as I thought he's lost a lot time this season on the HRC and it wasn't entirely clear that he wants to finish his contracgt--the bike is just too aggressive/violent for his precesion riding-style. I think the major speculation is that if they do buy out his contract then Miller would be at HRC, but his Marc VDS days were less than stellar so Im not sure how that would work.
Lets see what happens this weekend; the HRC breaks bodies, that much we know and JLO has already seen what that is like and has been gone for nearly half the season now. If Gigi/Ducati wants a real title contender, not just some one who will occasionally excel in a handful of tracks, than JLO on a factory backed Parmac is the way to go until Dovi is replaced on the works team. I really wish Andreas would have won a single title and then decided to retire afterward, but getting rid of JLO was a really poor decesion.
I am a Marc fan, but I'm a much bigger fan of the racing and I agree.
There just isn't anyone in any class to put up a real challenge to Marc right now, I really thought Mav was going to, but Yamaha are just not there... Rins, Quateraro and Mir look like the next generation of riders who might be able to if given the right machinery and they stay healthy.
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I'm not so sure Lorenzo back on a Ducati. Especially a satellite team , even if it's a factory bike is a good idea. It will take him another 1-2 years to get adjusted again. Plus the Ducati seems to be less competitive this year as compared to when JLO was on the factory bike. JLO is also going to ask for crazy money. Which Ducati can no longer afford. They should put that cash back in development. I also think JLO is no longer at his peak. He may still be a top rider if everything is perfect for him. But just no where near Marc's level these days.
Screwing things up for Miller also sucks. I think he's doing the best anyone can ask for on the satellite Ducatiteam.
It's extremely disappointing watching Rossi, Dovi, Rins etc not even close to Marc. Heck Marc even relaxes on last half of the final laps and still finishes miles ahead of anyone else.
I'm sure if Yamaha had a more competitive bike. Rossi , Vinales and especially Quateraro would give Marc more of a challenge throughout the entire race and not just first 5 laps.
For me I would be happy to just see Rossi win one more race.
Screwing things up for Miller also sucks. I think he's doing the best anyone can ask for on the satellite Ducatiteam.
It's extremely disappointing watching Rossi, Dovi, Rins etc not even close to Marc. Heck Marc even relaxes on last half of the final laps and still finishes miles ahead of anyone else.
I'm sure if Yamaha had a more competitive bike. Rossi , Vinales and especially Quateraro would give Marc more of a challenge throughout the entire race and not just first 5 laps.
For me I would be happy to just see Rossi win one more race.
J_F
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at this point I'm not going to renew my Video Pass
logged in tonight and they spoiled any entertainment factor from Q
I'm okay with the one rider being that much better
he has earned it and the factory team has found some HP
but the the races have been awful
VR and Mav have been doing better
and the Frenchman with the Italian name is a future superstar
JLO? career is in transition
teams could put up with his lemon-ass personality when he's winning
he may have worn out his welcome with factory teams
logged in tonight and they spoiled any entertainment factor from Q
I'm okay with the one rider being that much better
he has earned it and the factory team has found some HP
but the the races have been awful
VR and Mav have been doing better
and the Frenchman with the Italian name is a future superstar
JLO? career is in transition
teams could put up with his lemon-ass personality when he's winning
he may have worn out his welcome with factory teams
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Winales_2017
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Haha, JLO has such a stubborn attitude, but as you said: success is what ultimately matters. Apprently he has emerged this weekend and let it be known he is going to finish out the season. But in true silly season, he has been linked to and in discussion with the Petronas Yamaha team.
Good race, I won't spoil the results, but it was good to see a duel between those two again.
I haven't heard about a poor attitude from Lorenzo regarding his dealings with the team, usually this just comes from fans that don't like that he isn't a bubbly Rossi/Marquez personality. He is a proven talent, and once Ducati got him the parts he asked for, he started doing very well. Even the other riders ended up using many of the components he asked for, so I would imagine that's part of the reason they want him back (positive development).
The race was decent this weekend, but highlighted the current issues with the competition. The Yamahas are absolutely nowhere, regardless of how good the riders are/aren't. I would say it's possible that Vinales is as good as Marquez (or at least close) but he really has no chance unless it's a very Yamaha-characteristic track; on a neutral track the Honda and Ducati will walk away. Even on historically good Yamaha tracks, Suzuki is stealing their lunch with a chassis that handles better.
Regarding the Miller/Ducati/Lorenzo situation, I'd dump Bagnaia and keep Miller regadless of whether they bring in Lorenzo, maybe go for Zarco who just became available if not Lorenzo. The guy either crashes or is nowhere, basically. Mir is in almost the same situation, but has shown some speed, but I suspect he will be similar to Crutchlow where he has a win-it-or-bin-it mentality. Both have contracts though, which may make that all impossible.
The race was decent this weekend, but highlighted the current issues with the competition. The Yamahas are absolutely nowhere, regardless of how good the riders are/aren't. I would say it's possible that Vinales is as good as Marquez (or at least close) but he really has no chance unless it's a very Yamaha-characteristic track; on a neutral track the Honda and Ducati will walk away. Even on historically good Yamaha tracks, Suzuki is stealing their lunch with a chassis that handles better.
Regarding the Miller/Ducati/Lorenzo situation, I'd dump Bagnaia and keep Miller regadless of whether they bring in Lorenzo, maybe go for Zarco who just became available if not Lorenzo. The guy either crashes or is nowhere, basically. Mir is in almost the same situation, but has shown some speed, but I suspect he will be similar to Crutchlow where he has a win-it-or-bin-it mentality. Both have contracts though, which may make that all impossible.
boyoboy
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In regards to @Mr.K comments: (this new quote thing? still not working for me old brain lol)
With all due respect to lorenzo - I don't agree with you that he IS a proven talent; but rather, WAS a proven talent. Over the last few years he appears to have lost his confidence. To say he needs a bike that suits him is an excuse in my eyes. A good, no, a great rider will compensate for a bikes shortcomings, and capitalize on its strengths. I think he's lost his mojo, and I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. imo.
As for a replacement on the honda team? I would be looking for an up and coming young gun.
I imagine Honda regrets having ever let Dani Pedrosa go.
The suzuki needs engine. They got the rider to do it with Rins. Rins is showing his frustration with the lack of engine.
With all due respect to lorenzo - I don't agree with you that he IS a proven talent; but rather, WAS a proven talent. Over the last few years he appears to have lost his confidence. To say he needs a bike that suits him is an excuse in my eyes. A good, no, a great rider will compensate for a bikes shortcomings, and capitalize on its strengths. I think he's lost his mojo, and I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. imo.
As for a replacement on the honda team? I would be looking for an up and coming young gun.
I imagine Honda regrets having ever let Dani Pedrosa go.
The suzuki needs engine. They got the rider to do it with Rins. Rins is showing his frustration with the lack of engine.
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Lorenzo has commited to stay with Honda
More juicy stuff though is that Zarco is now out at KTM at thee end of the season, which leaves an open seat at KTM. The question now becomes who gets it? While I do think Miller is likely to stay at Pramac now that Lorenzo is no longer an option, it would be wicked to see Miller in that factory KTM seat. He's clearly got pace and still appears to have an amicable relationship with KTM from their Moto3 days.
Other optinos for KTM to replace Zarco would be: Oliveira (which then leaves an spot open at Tech3 for ???) or Smith (has KTM experience). I can't think of anyone else - there's no one from Moto2 that would jump over Oliveira.
More juicy stuff though is that Zarco is now out at KTM at thee end of the season, which leaves an open seat at KTM. The question now becomes who gets it? While I do think Miller is likely to stay at Pramac now that Lorenzo is no longer an option, it would be wicked to see Miller in that factory KTM seat. He's clearly got pace and still appears to have an amicable relationship with KTM from their Moto3 days.
Other optinos for KTM to replace Zarco would be: Oliveira (which then leaves an spot open at Tech3 for ???) or Smith (has KTM experience). I can't think of anyone else - there's no one from Moto2 that would jump over Oliveira.
J_F
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2 years ago I could see Zarco going to the factory Yamaha team
but the old man still has some gas in the tank
and Fabio seems to be the next anointed one
what's the contract situation like with Mav?
great racer and by all accounts great team player
but he seems to be running put of patience with Yamaha
but the old man still has some gas in the tank
and Fabio seems to be the next anointed one
what's the contract situation like with Mav?
great racer and by all accounts great team player
but he seems to be running put of patience with Yamaha
Pretty much every team In the paddock.
He’s the only guy when all the stars are aligned that can beat MM93.
Winales_2017
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Have you ever watched any of the documentary's shown on BT sports between seasons? Its worth a watch: Yamaha staff/team have made it very clear that he was one of the most 'particular' and often most 'difficult rider' to work with, but he is also the most dominant riders they have ever had when he is in form so they deal with it. The guy doesn't just have natural talent, but he is also a really hard worker, he analyzes EVERYTHING!
I think JLO does mainly get a bad reputation from fans, those mainly on the Rossi-Marc divide; but the guy is a ******* machine when he is totally dialed in and comfortable on the bike, his lap consistency is simply not Human! And he runs away with a victory miles ahead of anyone else, which makes for really boring races.
And you're right, he is the only rider in the entire grid to ever be able to win a championship since Marc entered MotoGP, which if you think of it is quite the accolade, but also startling...
I think its more that he has the mentality of the only rider to ever deny Marc a championship in GP and he knows he really cannot win against Marc right now, whether it be on New or equal machinery, and the next best thing is to get paid as much as you can to not win a championship and develop the tools to compete down the road.
His Ducati deal was a masterstroke of genius financially but perhaps detrimental to him psychologically/physically over all, and had it ultimately landed him a 3rd season I think we would have seen a closer/tighter season between the two, with Marc eventually winning it as HRC found some acceleration and stability not seen for the past 3 seasons.
I really want to see Zarco back on a Yamaha, but Fabio is there real next protege and we may see Zarco leave for WSBK if he cannot find a competitive package in MotoGP, which would be cool because that series needs more GP talent to shake things up. I was excited at first with Alvaro, but haven't really folowed since the Italian GP as it was getting boring.
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You guys have short memories, early in the season last year everyone thought he was washed up. New gas tank and boom, the old Lorenzo is back. Name me one other rider in the current Moto gp line up that has something to give MM93 a challenge.
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