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18 Things You Can Do on a Cruiser but no on a Sportbike
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Roadghost
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Motorcycle Mike
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With my style of riding, I don't have a lot of choice. Let's see, I could go with:
BMW: German
KTM: Austrian
Ducati: Italian
I suppose I could go with Husaberg (Sweden) or Gas Gas (Spain), but I think both of those are bankrupt. It seems that only WW2 war criminals make a decent dirt bike any more.
1. Drop two atomic bombs on civilian cities.
2. Spray napalm on civilian villages in Vietnam, orchestrated village-by-village slaughters.
3. Get stoned and drive around Baghdad at night with mounted guns mowing down civilians .
4. Carpet bomb Dresden civilians just to break the German spirit -no actual military targets.
5. Retreat from Hanoi leaving local allies to be slaughtered.
6. Fire 1000 tons of spent, but radioactive and toxic uranium bullets all over Iraq.
7. Distribute polio-infected blankets to natives.
8. Send CDNs first in major beach offensives in WW2.
Your #7 is void. That was commited by Europeans when they first arrived to the Americas. I will consider them American from the time they gained independence from the British.
But back to my argument, what Imperial Japan did cannot be compared to what America has done. Their blatant disregard for civilian life as well as POWs.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_pacific.html
1. Inexcusable in hind site, but, it supposedly saved 1 million lives to force a Japanese surrender as opposed to an all out invasion of Japanese held territories.
2. Napalm was intended to be a deforesting agent, not an unusually cruel civilian killer. The Viet Cong hid behind civilians.
3. Haven't heard of that particular one, but if the Americans weren't there, Islamic fanatics would be stoning and raping women and forcing Sharia law on all civilians at gun point, and there would no doubt be countless murders in the name of God.
4. The tactic was developed by Nazi Germany during the bombings of London, i.e. no military targets, and came back home to visit in spades. Cologne too. Once again, inexcusable in hind sight.
5. They lost 55,000 soldiers and billions of dollars trying to help South Vietnam out. They earned the right to retreat.
6. State of the art armor piercing bullets were used on a battle field, yes. WWI bombs are still killing people in the once battle fields of Europe. What's the point?
7. Yes they did. No excuses, but Europeans have slaughtered indigenous Americans by the 10's of millions in all manner of ways. Before "Americans" were Americans, they were European, and you probably have Euro roots too. White *Christian* European men did not think Africans or Asians or Indigenous Americans were fully human at that time, and treated them as lower life forms.
8. They sent in the best warriors available. Who wouldn't?
But seriously, this tit for tat nonsense of who was the worse war criminal is nonsense when discussing how the history of the birth place of motorbikes has anything to do with sales or perceptions. I like Japanese bikes for what they are, last thing I think of is the rape of Nanking. Don't think of Auschwitz when I look at a BMW, etc. Just like I don't think of any wars crimes committed by the socio-political powers that once murdered millions in Russia when I check out a beautiful Russian woman. Stalin's the last thing on my mind, just like Mussolini is the last thing on my mind when I check out a Ducati.
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Motorcycle Mike
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Except that is not what got us on this subject -- which was a guy who wears the Japanese Imperial flag as decoration, to which someone said "Isn't that like wearing a nazi flag"?
It only progressed into a conversation of where bikes come from when someone said that is why Harley riders don't wave to people on Japanese bikes -- which, I admit, is a bit off the theme of people wearing the flags of oppressors as decoration.
From Wikipedia: Godwin's Law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"[2][3]— that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.
Only 5 pages from cruisers to fascism. Good work, GTAM.
Only 5 pages from cruisers to fascism. Good work, GTAM.
I would agree that wearing the Japanese Imperial flag is as ignorant as wearing a swaztika or the confederate flag...or symbols of them...and makes the wearer look like an effing idiot, but, even veterans might say wars were fought for freedom, even for buttwipes that wear such symbols of inhumanity and think they can make some type of argument that makes it okay.
But, asswipes like that aside, the reason some HD riders refuse to wave to Japanese bikes is about status, not war crimes. They simply think their bikes are better, and that those who ride inferior and cheaper or immitation bikes are losers.
Nothing to do with war crimes, everything to do with perceived socio economic stratification through purchasing of consumer products, and idiots who think their bikes make them cool and tough and elite.
But, that's not specific to some HD riders...is it?
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really??????????
15. Take your bicycle with you
If you have a cruiser, you can also take your bicycle with you when you are going for a cross country trip. Cruisers are known for their load bearing capacity and you can easily strap your bicycle with your cruiser and take to the road. This is something you can never do with a sportbike. No matter how powerful a sportbike is, it can never carry the load that a cruiser is capable of. So next time you plan a tour to the countryside or a hike in the hills, take a cruiser and your bicycle along with it.
I've seen pics of the same set up on a sport bike.
The point is that Canada and the US does a thorough job in the media convincing its people that they are morally superior, but atrocities happen in all sides in wars. Lying about it doesn't change reality.
I would not wear a Nazi novelty helmet, an Imperial Flag or a Confederate Flag because its offensive, and I never associated with the a-holes who make up this fraction of motorcyclists.
I hear what you're saying and think lying about it, or managing the truth or access to the truth like China and Iran and North Korea do, does change perceived and experienced realities, that's why spin Dr's and "revisionists" and dictators do what they do. Just as western media "Manufactures Consent", so to do revisionists like Holocaust deniers try and change the story lines to their way of thinking. Thank goodnes we are free agents to investigate further should we choose, and in one regard, this dynamic of tainted reporting applies to motorcycles, i.e. some people think HD and Ducatis are unreliable because that's what they heard.
I too stay away for "bikers" who think wearing symbols of oppression and agression and inhumanity are not only cool, but mandatory if riding an *Amercan style* cruisers, and particualrly sad when you see some turnip on his Yammie cruiser, wearing SS stlye skulls and iron crosses and such.
Coulda been. I actually meant to say that but must've forgot. Lol. Maybe not so fine. It was a bit bumpy.
Roadghost
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LMAO! You guys have gone waayyy out of line, reading far too much into this. The Japanese naval flag is still used by the Japanese navy. While it was demonized in several Hollywood movies, it was never the flag of Imperial Japan. The current Japanese flag is the one that was tied to the arms of the Kamikazes. Japan never changed its flags. So, if you want to read Nazism into a currently used naval flag, I would have to say you're being ridiculous, especially since you all own motorcycles made by the very same country that still flies those flags proudly.
The rat bike I posted is nothing more than an experimental art project. The flag was merely tied to the bike tongue-in-cheek as part of its pseudo-dystopian image, along with its tank logo:
If you can picture for yourself a young kid, post apocalypse, tooling together an old Jap bike he finds in some ruins as his only means of transport, you get the bike's image. "Eddie the Tramp" pictured would be something purely out of his imagination or otherwise; the image of the bomb would be something very real to him. The Jap imagery would refer to the bike itself, and maybe the fact that the Japanese were the only nation to ever survive a nuclear attack, until the apocalypse, earning his respect.
I do not wear the flag as I ride down the highway. But even if I did it would be the height of hypocrisy for anyone to criticize while proudly riding their Kawasakis or driving their Hondas. Finally, I was around in the 1970s when Brit and American bike riders refused to wave at Japanese bike riders. There were still plenty of WWII vets riding and guy whose fathers fought against the Japanese. But the real reason they stopped waving is because the Japanese were running the old bike manufacturers out of business and they hated them for it. A lot of the Harley guys are still of the same frame of mind. I don't know what the problem is with the rest of them. Just bloody minded I guess.
Anyway, that's it. Nothing evil here, so don't get all upset. I think I'll post pics of that bike on the HD forum, just to see the reaction. LOL.
I'm riding my Suzuki off a cliff tomorrow. I hear they are removing WWII history in their textbooks. The Germans have given tax breaks to jews in Germany, sort of what Canada does to the natives.
I'm thinking of getting a Triumph or BMW. I might not get much reliability but I guess I'll live with it
I'm thinking of getting a Triumph or BMW. I might not get much reliability but I guess I'll live with it
RedDogDarren
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I posted on an HD forum many years ago under the name "AKIRA" and tossed out a few HD jokes. The anarchy and chaos of that thread was wondrous to behold.
kiwi
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I'm still ****** off the "general lee" from "the dukes of hazard" is now a bad thing because of the confederate flag.
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