You're so negative? How 'bout a hug??
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You're so negative? How 'bout a hug??
.... Hug, ya thats coming but first an interweb "***** slap" .... 350 laps, thats just stupid! ANYBODY using a race tire that long and is try'n to up sell you on how serious he is about his racing ..... well, he aint. Its not about your tire choice, the UK Dunlop is as good as any tire available, Timmy your sending a bad message, people on this site take ALL of this sh%t in and believe it all! Most don't have your riding skill (there's the hug, ya in shape bad boy....) or have a clue about set up or what a real race bike is and now they believe they can do 350 laps on a tire (cause dude on GTA.com said so [after all its on the web now sooooooo..... has to be true, yes]). now stop it and go running or biking or something healthy. BG
Mr.Azim
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At least the racers are safe from his track time (unless they add auto-blippers to the rule books).
We ride a few seconds slower than Caboose, but we have been Endurance Racing ( and winning all classes sometimes) using Dunlops from Competition Cycle as well and getting over 200 laps easily out of front and rear combos.
I don't see being frugal about tires as saying you aren't a "serious racer" at all. If anyone can run the pace Caboose does and win Superbike races doing it on tires that obviously still have enough life in them to cope with what he is dishing out, that's as serious and anyone else out there who isn't even on the box but buys 3 sets of tires per weekend cuz he is told "that's what serious racers do"..... Caboose has committment. Maybe not committment to lining tire guy's pockets, but he is committed to his own racing, and has found a setup that works. Suggesting that buying a few sets of.tires a weekend when the ones you are on suffice, just to elevate yourself to the status of being perceived suddenly as a "serious racer" is foolish in my opinion. But what do I know?
Our Dunlops don't see the stresses his will, but our bike is bone stock except for a shock and a slip on. I hope it would get even better tire life if someone smart set up the suspension.
I don't see being frugal about tires as saying you aren't a "serious racer" at all. If anyone can run the pace Caboose does and win Superbike races doing it on tires that obviously still have enough life in them to cope with what he is dishing out, that's as serious and anyone else out there who isn't even on the box but buys 3 sets of tires per weekend cuz he is told "that's what serious racers do"..... Caboose has committment. Maybe not committment to lining tire guy's pockets, but he is committed to his own racing, and has found a setup that works. Suggesting that buying a few sets of.tires a weekend when the ones you are on suffice, just to elevate yourself to the status of being perceived suddenly as a "serious racer" is foolish in my opinion. But what do I know?
Our Dunlops don't see the stresses his will, but our bike is bone stock except for a shock and a slip on. I hope it would get even better tire life if someone smart set up the suspension.
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you almost made me spill my soup lol
..... I know better than getting involved in this nonsense, but I also know Tim, sooooo ....... [/QUOTE] but our bike is "BONE STOCK" except for a shock and a slip on......[/QUOTE] so, ya completely missed the "seriose racer" implacations in my post, YES? Your bike is a street bike you ride on the track! it should get 200 + laps a set even if your using Chen Zings, a few seconds slower than Caboose! most at SOAR are a few seconds slower than Caboose, whats that mean ........(actually, I really don't want to know) Anyways, someday you may (or may not) get what I was trying to say. BG
Our bike is basically stock.....but my point for the Dunlops is that they outlasted every other tire we tried. (Stones and Piellis) One set even lasted 320 laps....two full endurance races. Sound like it might pain you to see Tim running right with your riders who might be on new tires every 15 laps, while he is on tires that are yrs old with 300+ laps on them....LOL
My point is that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and Tim's method seems to be getting the job done just as well as riders who employ your method of buying thousands of dollars worth of tires each season. You wouldn't be getting a kickback from tire guys for your rider's tire purchases would you?
I realize that you have many years of expertise in this sport, and have amassed a great deal of tuning knowledge. The performance of your bikes shows that. I just wonder if the margin is swaying the advice some riders get.
The only part of the statement that seems prejudiced to me is just the implication that he won't be taken as a serious racer simply by his tire expense list. Taken as a serious by who? His sponsors? Potential future sponsors? You? The rest of the racers already know he is serious.
And lets be honest....how big a benefit is there in this current racing climate, especially in Canada, to being taken as a serious racer? Is anyone in the whole country even making a meager salary riding?
My point is that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and Tim's method seems to be getting the job done just as well as riders who employ your method of buying thousands of dollars worth of tires each season. You wouldn't be getting a kickback from tire guys for your rider's tire purchases would you?
I realize that you have many years of expertise in this sport, and have amassed a great deal of tuning knowledge. The performance of your bikes shows that. I just wonder if the margin is swaying the advice some riders get.
The only part of the statement that seems prejudiced to me is just the implication that he won't be taken as a serious racer simply by his tire expense list. Taken as a serious by who? His sponsors? Potential future sponsors? You? The rest of the racers already know he is serious.
And lets be honest....how big a benefit is there in this current racing climate, especially in Canada, to being taken as a serious racer? Is anyone in the whole country even making a meager salary riding?
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I get somewhere near 300 laps out of a set of Bridgestone slicks. Bike is not powerful enough to spin the rear tire (FZR400). I also try to ride in a way that does not upset the suspension. I replace the tires when they show signs of not being able to do what is asked of them. The tire vendors may cringe at this, but I don't own a set of tire warmers, either. (May change next year, but I need a different tow setup to deal with the generator etc ... I currently have no space for anything of the sort) I've been doing this since before tire warmers, I'm used to it ...
Obviously a tire-shredding superbike can be a different story but only if the rider is approaching the traction limits closer on that bike than I do on mine. Lap times aren't the true indication of this ... my bike goes backwards on straightaways. A rider who is rough with the throttle or gear changes will wear out tires quicker even if they're not actually going any faster. Crap suspension settings can chew up tires faster, too (but my 24 year old bike with damper-rod right-side-up forks is hardly the epitome of suspension design, and slipper clutches weren't invented yet back then, either). There are plenty of variables.
Endurance racing tends to involve backing off the aggression level just a wee smidge, and that helps A LOT with tire life. And it makes suspension setup less critical.
Someone who is just starting out with roadracing need not be changing their tires every session unless they are the next Brett McCormick. When the time comes that they need to be changed ... then change them. The interval between changing them will sort itself out. DO get the suspension set up properly and make sure it stays working properly - it makes a big difference.
Obviously a tire-shredding superbike can be a different story but only if the rider is approaching the traction limits closer on that bike than I do on mine. Lap times aren't the true indication of this ... my bike goes backwards on straightaways. A rider who is rough with the throttle or gear changes will wear out tires quicker even if they're not actually going any faster. Crap suspension settings can chew up tires faster, too (but my 24 year old bike with damper-rod right-side-up forks is hardly the epitome of suspension design, and slipper clutches weren't invented yet back then, either). There are plenty of variables.
Endurance racing tends to involve backing off the aggression level just a wee smidge, and that helps A LOT with tire life. And it makes suspension setup less critical.
Someone who is just starting out with roadracing need not be changing their tires every session unless they are the next Brett McCormick. When the time comes that they need to be changed ... then change them. The interval between changing them will sort itself out. DO get the suspension set up properly and make sure it stays working properly - it makes a big difference.
Sandy from Pro 6 told me D209s shouldn't be run in both directions.
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