YYZ Plane Crash

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It's far too early to try to pin the blame on the first officer, regardless of experience level, regardless of when she got her liscence.

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat immediately nowadays. Look at any accident on the 401 that involves a tractor trailer, everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that the truck was at fault, meanwhile accidents involving trucks are statistically overwhelmingly the fault of another vehicle, only for the truck to become involved because of their size/weight/handling.

If a car swerves across 5 lanes of traffic and slams on it's brakes trying to make an exit, I hit it, and then I roll over and close the 401 for 8 hours....it's not my fault. But of course, everyone online immediately assumes it is.

Everyone needs to wait for the reports before laying fault anywhere.
 
On another note, everyone was a rookie at their job at one point.

Aviation isn't just a half assed thing where you can get a half assed license at a licence mill and hop in the seat of a jetliner. It takes a LOT of time, money, dedication, and practice to get there.

People might be surprised to learn how young (and sometimes inexperienced) a lot of pilots are nowadays. There is a shortage of pilots and airlines are really hurting to find people entering the industry. It's a job that a lot of people think is a glorious job with exciting travel and huge paycheques. In reality it's a gruelling job full of crappy hours, the "travel" portion is seeing new cities from the air and then taking a taxi to and from the airport to a hotel, eating crappy hotel or airport food, and the paycheques can be absolutely terrible while you're blipping around in bugsmashers until you make it into an airline (and even then, we're talking only $100k a year for a job that has you on the road endlessly) and it can take a long time for you make left seat (pilot vs 1st officer) in a jumbo and start making the serious bucks, and it can take a LONG time to get there as the experience, training, and testing requirements to achieve that are long and hard.

Even the grizzled 40 years experience pilot who is nearing retirement was, at one point, a rookie as well.
 
PrivatePilot said:
It's far too early to try to pin the blame on the first officer, regardless of experience level, regardless of when she got her liscence.

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat immediately nowadays. Look at any accident on the 401 that involves a tractor trailer, everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that the truck was at fault, meanwhile accidents involving trucks are statistically overwhelmingly the fault of another vehicle, only for the truck to become involved because of their size/weight/handling.

If a car swerves across 5 lanes of traffic and slams on it's brakes trying to make an exit, I hit it, and then I roll over and close the 401 for 8 hours....it's not my fault. But of course, everyone online immediately assumes it is.

Everyone needs to wait for the reports before laying fault anywhere.
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To be clear, I'm not blaming the FO (or the captain who may have taken over). Windshear at the wrong time and things go bad quickly.
 
SunnY S said:
Interesting.....

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So from that info the pilot in command is a sim instructor that had issues in training and couldn't cut it at the parent company (Delta) so was pretty much "demoted" back to the Endeavor regional carrier and the co pilot is green and has some strange anomalies regarding her license.

I think we're going to hear some crazy stuff once all the lawsuits revealed more info
 
PrivatePilot said:
On another note, everyone was a rookie at their job at one point.

Aviation isn't just a half assed thing where you can get a half assed license at a licence mill and hop in the seat of a jetliner. It takes a LOT of time, money, dedication, and practice to get there.

People might be surprised to learn how young (and sometimes inexperienced) a lot of pilots are nowadays. There is a shortage of pilots and airlines are really hurting to find people entering the industry. It's a job that a lot of people think is a glorious job with exciting travel and huge paycheques. In reality it's a gruelling job full of crappy hours, the "travel" portion is seeing new cities from the air and then taking a taxi to and from the airport to a hotel, eating crappy hotel or airport food, and the paycheques can be absolutely terrible while you're blipping around in bugsmashers until you make it into an airline (and even then, we're talking only $100k a year for a job that has you on the road endlessly) and it can take a long time for you make left seat (pilot vs 1st officer) in a jumbo and start making the serious bucks, and it can take a LONG time to get there as the experience, training, and testing requirements to achieve that are long and hard.

Even the grizzled 40 years experience pilot who is nearing retirement was, at one point, a rookie as well.
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Keep in mind you need an aviation medical from a short list of MD's every six months. You can be grounded by a heartbeat and go from jumbo jet to delivering jumbo pizza for Uber.
 
Wind Shear said:
i thought it could have been a microburst or something, then i saw the video and it’s definitely DEI hiring at fault… or JD Vance’s fault… whichever side i’m on i can’t remember.
They should get Elon in on the investigation he’ll fix everything.
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Well he does own a company building rockets ships, probably a real good chance his company of scientists and engineers would be able to figure it out
 
nobbie48 said:
Keep in mind you need an aviation medical from a short list of MD's every six months. You can be grounded by a heartbeat and go from jumbo jet to delivering jumbo pizza for Uber.
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I've been through the medical thing for my liscence, it was not fun, it was not easy. I ended up with a restriction on it at one point (when I was still actively flying) because of a stupid medication I ended up on at the time that required me to have a safety pilot with me, meaning that I could no longer just go for a flight with a friend for ***** and giggles with them in the front right seat, I had to have another liscenced pilot sitting there just in case. So any friends/family had to sit in the back, assuming I was renting a 4 seater plane to begin with vs the 2 seaters I usually flew.

And that's just a private license, much less commercial/ATP.

They don't fool around with anything aviation.
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